Meet the Industry Leaders Featuring Arthur Tyde

it's like I know I was working earlier because I saw you earlier yeah you know the problem is I've got like several cameras it's uh you know it's kind anyway so so thank you for having me I I uh I'm honored I uh I don't know if I qualify as a leader I don't feel like one but I've certainly been around for a long time so uh at least in the open source space if you're if you want to know where the bodies are buried and stuff I certainly can help there you know that's funny because I was actually going to ask you at what

point did you realize that you are a leader and I think you kind of already said it I think you know that you're a leader when other people tell you that you are well it's interesting because back in the day um and by back in the day I'm talking like mid90s um the at least when I think about the open source industry it was a much smaller place you know so uh it it was back I mean we were still we were still on uset and I started started out really as an engineer um I started my career actually writing video games in high school

and then then I went on to IBM where I uh I wrote uh I actually wrote the display the terminal subsystem for the a400 so I think 5250 and 3270 emulation I'm really dating myself but you know it was that kind of stuff uh then I got into os2 right I was a big os2 guy and uh yeah and I I had kind of an epiphany one day where I was like you know IBM is never going to make o to happen they could Market their way out of a paper bag they they create crazy names for products that people don't understand or like um

I mean I could go on and on but Linux seemed very interesting at the time you still got it on dis skets it was early early early so I go out on uset and I didn't know anything about Linux I was just like hey what is this Linux thing you know like I didn't know what root was I was not a Unix guy I was a IBM guy um at the time and in and true used that fashion I was like is there a user group is are there some people I can learn from and uh they were like well uh no there's no Silicon

Valley or San Francisco users groups why don't you start one so that that's sort of how my journey in open source began and I remember at the first Linux user group meeting I met this guy Dave cery who was one of my co-founders at Linux k and Incredibly helpful guy super smart and he was like oh yeah we'll set up a we'll set up an HTTP server we'll get the DNS squared away for the user group and everything I had no idea what any of that meant but I was like yeah that sounds great let's do that you know and it's like well when can

we have that done by you know it's like just one thing after another and and I wound up uh starting actually the first company to offer uh Enterprise class Linux uh support in the space as a 30-year-old or something I mean oh my God I feel like hold on no idea what it was doing what are you what are we holding for I'm trying to uh have an image oh oh you're gonna share something math in your head I have an image of art at this time if we can throw that up there come on tell me he's got long hair please tell me he's

got long hair no he not have long hair so this is Art started back in the day H yeah so yeah that was at the first uh Linux World Conference and Expo party so uh the the ray gun there we had the in the Linus tals for president button we actually ran a full page ad in the Wall Street Journal saying Linus tals for president I I forget why we did that but I mean it it attracted just a a ton of attention um but uh yeah you know uh so been in it for a while um started with secure remote silen Valley startup that

morphed into Linux care um which then turned into Levant and Sputnik which was actually the first um Wireless SAS play um then I did you know I came out of Linux care realizing that although we were the first company to do uh Enterprise class support Linux and we supported 19 different distributions on several different Hardware architectures I really had no idea what the Enterprise was about I mean I was just a kid um so you know I did uh I did did time at Oracle on EMC and yeah so so that's kind of the background I guess kind of I there I think we missed

a lot of stuff in there art I think there's a whole okay the video game fascinating too but okay can we that is is there a copy of that somewhere I think that actually should be an entire show of all of you guys who like created video games and the you know 90s is you know time time frame of their life that would be awesome well you know it's funny because I was thinking about so so I received a list of questions like oh this is what we're going to talk about it's like you know how did you plan your career trajectory it's like things

like that it's like plan my God I'm going to have to make something close your eyes and run yeah you know because like when I first came out to California you know I I had left the IBM gig um it was interesting but uh I wanted to be I wanted to be in California I did not want to be in Minnesota so it's kind of a natural oh just go to California I can't imagine the draw to California from Minnesota I just I can't understand what that would be yeah it had a lot to do with the snow let me tell you you know and

exactly and IBM lied to me well they didn't lie lied well yes they lied to me they were like you know Rochester is a great place to live it's actually a suburb of Minneapolis St Paul which is not true it's a little bit of a stretch or a big stretch you know I looked at a map and I was like you know maybe maybe um but the uh yeah and then uh when I came out here actually um anyway the questions got me thinking about you know who are who are my mentors who who made an influence and and all of those events sort of

changed the course of my life I mean I I could I could talk about several people there's a early on there was a guy named Carl Hess who was a speech he was the uh primary speech uh writer for Barry Goldwater he was an old guy um you know I knew uh and and conversed extensively with a guy named Doug Casey so if you Google Doug Casey he's kind of a gold gold guy out there is uh he wrote a uh uh a number of books international Man being the most famous Vic Neer Hofer who's a a Wall Street Speculator uh former partner of George

Soros I've been really lucky in terms of meeting lots of crazy people I used to hang out with Hunter Thompson in Colorado um but none of that contributed to any kind of predictable career trajectory it was just getting out and meeting interesting people um um so I think you went about some interesting ways of meeting some interesting people too I know you like trains and I think there were some early on on train Adventures that so so how the yeah how the Hunter Thompson thing and all of that came together is as a kid I I thought well uh oh my God I'm not I

won't tell the whole story but let's just say I found I found the idea of you know being uh jumping freight trains very interesting and uh do not do this at home I'm not recommending that you go train but especially Nowa probably the worst thing to do now but how I met a lot of these people is I jumped free trains across the country with a guy named Bo Keeley who's kind of a famous Speculator you and and a uh Adventure you can go you can Google Bo key um and uh yeah I wound up riding freight trains Aspen and that's where I met a

whole bunch of incredible people who fundamentally changed the course of my life you know and this was very early on um so you know after the IBM gig uh and going out to California um I I ran into a guy named Melvin Bell now Melvin belly was the original he was the attorney for the Rolling Stones uh Hugh Hefner um Jim and Tammy Baker and as you remember this is way back in the day you know so kind of a celebrity attorney and I wound up running their it operation um which oddly enough got me into the private detective business so I ran a pi

agency in San Francisco for several years I'm I'm still actually a licensed investigator in the state of California this is good information to know well again it's it's not it's not super predictable I've always loved it I've always been a computer gu I mean I still have here the first computer I ever bought uh right here so fantas you know it's running software that I wrote back in high school that is not the first monitor you ever bought no no definitely not the first monitor no but yeah you know it's it so I i' I've definitely had a lifelong interest in it and computers so

you know in terms of following your passion you know gadgets are definitely a passion no doubt um I don't think you can be really be in it without having some sort of Fascination for the for what's possible you know and it's weird because when I think about the past right like the old floppy disc but also the future you know it's like what's tomorrow going to look like so hence the image behind me from the movie Tomorrowland which I think is if an Rand were to write a science fiction movie for Disney that's it would be the movie tomorrow land so uh okay I'm completely

off the reservation now maybe maybe it's time to rain me in we we are off the reservation but I really like it and I need to ask you if you ever dissected a computer like you ever took it apart just because you wanted to like look at all the little pieces inside yeah actually you know I um absolutely and back in the day right um especially with 8bit machines like you know apples and commodor and T you go way back the early Ataris you could actually take one of those machines apart and fix it I mean it was you know you could open up a

disc drive you can watch the head moving around and you ever as a kid like you know stick your finger in a cassette recorder to slow down the recording all a sudden your music is like yeah or or a needle on a record player with a cone of with like a paper cone and a sewing needle to play the record through the or if you're trying to play it backwards to get the Pink Floyd stuff happening oh yeah you know I don't think this generation knows that this is Magic these are things that we need to pass down today it's magic but like back in

the day you could actually comprehend it's like okay well you know I see how I see how the surface of a diset right Ian this is magnetic media just like I'm not going to touch it but just like a just like a tape going through a cassette recorder or a VCR is a piece of magnetic you could see you could see the physics you could put your hands on it you know it's like there were no operating systems you had to write your own OS back in the day you if you wanted a piece of software you had to write it and actually that's one

of the things I loved about open source was that you know it's like back in the day if you needed something if you could improve on something you wrote you wrote it yourself um I I do believe that today Hardware it's become so abstract it's like if I took apart my note my notebook I could maybe replace a fan I could maybe but like to actually point at a chip and know what that's doing not anymore no not anymore you know so so I think we did have an advantage in the sense that when technology was a lot simpler we could wrap our heads around

simple still complicated today it's become very and it's and there are many layers so very specialized as well so that probably good little transition what is what are you doing now okay I also want to know so the Linux care still exists right um I mean a lot of people were affected by it I I'll tell you one touching story if I start crying I don't mean to but um that would be amazing CQ so how I met Greg our our este CEO um and it's funny because when he left Linux care and he went to work for the National Labs I was like oh

my God he took a government job why would you do that why would you ever go do that you know why would you ever go from a startup to like a lab and not judging you know um but you know the the people that I met back at Linux care um were some were very I mean we we were at the height of the do bubble and uh and I was a in spite of what Greg says I was a terrible CEO um you know uh and when you know when the bubble popped we had to lay off a bunch of people we could no

longer fund like like in the early days um when I think about the the the the difference we made or the damage we did right like like like I wrote the first check to LPI because I didn't think Red Hat should run away with a training business so vendor neutral communitybased Linux certification that was us we started that um the Linux standards based I WR the first check for the LSB because for isvs to really thrive in the Linux space you need standards right so LSB seemed like a good idea and that morphed into the free standards group um which turned into the Linux Foundation

I mean Jim zemlin has done an amazing job with that um so uh yeah you know we we supported Samba PHP um oh my God you know many many many open source projects with money and and you know people mostly people you know incredible people and when the dotom bubble popped all of a sudden we had to downsize and laying those people off broke my heart so I'm at scale so fast forward 20 plus years and Greg is like you want to go to scale big open source conference and I'm like oh my God because I knew a bunch of former Linux care people would

be there um and and I was shocked because I've I'd been carrying around 20 years of guilt it's like oh my God I destroyed their lives they came to work for me and then the bubble popped and I had to lay them off and all these broken dreams and d and it's all on you right you you feel that and and people came up to me at the show and they were like oh my God it's so good to see you they gave me and they gave me a hug and they were like and I was like I would always lead with I'm so sorry

I'm so sorry it didn't turn you know and and I'll get all emotional but the net of it is that it was a tremendously cathartic and forgiving experience it was also a learning experience it like you know I regret not having um learned earlier to I don't know really bond with people better hard it's hard as things grow though I mean it's yeah fun when it's start up and you know everybody and we've experienced that here but the more that we grow I see names that I don't recognize all the time and it it kind of bugs me because then I like Ryan meeting everybody

in the company is amazing I mean what a Monumental task that he he did it I kind of want to go do that I know I was super impressed by that you know because yeah I mean at least early in my career one mistake that I made was that I was always very much a okay this is my personal life over here and this is my work life over here and these things don't intertwine and and Zan as a vpf sales you know that's the wrong Outlook you know it's like I I I so um you know really realizing and especially when I think about

people who've been my mentors folks who have offered me great advice your self- included it's like you know get to know the people these are the this is our tribe right and I early on I didn't recognize that so now it's like yes I want to go to scale yes I want to go to a Star Trek convention yes I want to hang out with my people I don't know if I'm G to dress up as a Kling on or anything like that but sign for the please do so I think you dress as a cling on and go to scale I think that would

be well at SC there was like wasn't Batman there and Catwoman and I don't know some other things were there maybe I feel like I missed half of SC now yeah the Linux shows used to be pretty crazy too I mean so um but yeah you know and and and I think in in terms of of uh success metrics right um I'd been thinking really hard about like well I if I look back at the WIS in my career what was it what was it do what was the root cause and uh I I can't say it's any one thing that may that I did

other than uh realiz I and this this and I'll make a recommendation if you're an engineer and you want to be effective go take sales training period do not make the assumption that sales people are idiots who they're in sales because they can't do engineering or any of that kind of stuff because I was in that camp a long time ago and and and that's the wrong perspective um there's this guy named Zig Ziggler and and just the name Scream sales training you know but I I took this guy's I took this guy's course and it it fundamentally changed my life it made me realize

that that where I failed was always because I was chasing my own agenda I was just 100% per focused on my own success I wasn't working to make somebody else successful or more effective I wasn't helping people get what they wanted I chasing what I wanted and then then and once I realize that is attempting to understand like how am I going to help this customer how am I GNA help my neighbor how am I gonna help my cat get into that jar of treats right it's like it's like when when you get focused on making other people successful the come along is powerful you

know it's also moreing it's more yeah yeah funner it's f exactly and when people are mean or or angry or there's this amazing Wes Anderson quote from uh The Grand Budapest Hotel I love it there's a m Gustav is played by by Ralph fines and and he says that rudess is and I'm just gonna read it because I wrote rudeness is merely an expression of fear people fear they won't get what they want the most Dreadful and unattractive person only needs to be loved and they'll open up like a flower and I've dealt with some many Dreadful and unattractive people in it who have just

a horrible ax to grind but if you genuinely approach them from a from a caring perspective where you want to see them get what they want and be successful the dynamic immediately flips but you have to be sincere it can't be you know some BS action you really have to be sincere about it so um kind of reminds me of the old Unix admin blog was like the B from Hell whatever it was where it's just every question was met with just haste it was awesome it it was awesome but I also I have to I have to say I hated it I I tell

you quick story back L back in Linux care we had these gar s and they were like and you know who you are if you're watching and and they and I'm sure that you know again 23 years ago they're different people now but it's like it's like if you're angry about your job if you're not getting what you want don't go naming the servers after the seven deadly sins come on that's not constru it's true that's not that's not building an awesome foundation so I I think it's just yeah people are in different evolutionary Pathways but I just wish I could have learned these these

lessons in my 20s with age comes wisdom oh Mr Greg curzer well thank you for watching s Sure sir wow that was that was a lot happening there I'm nervous because the why did Art do a great job as CEO well it is easy to take credit for other people's work but being a great CEO is also about taking ownership of failures even when it is outside of your control are you speaking from experience Mr Gray curzer post I think we all we've all had that experience I know that's kind of part of it right I mean you say oh I wish I would have

learned all of this in my 20s but man you were learning a lot in your 20s we all learned a lot in our 20s I don't know if I'd pile on the next 20 years and shove it into the to that 10 just to have more your brain would probably explode so all of the different experiences that you had along the way are like exactly what what made you effective as a leader right now today so maybe would could you talk a little bit about like what you're actually doing now today at ciq because obviously all of those experiences led to now yeah so at

ciq in the SCP of Business Development and um you know a lot of people are like what is that right what is that and actually a guy in my team had had the best line um Dave Dickerson was like you know partnering is all about you know figuring out a bunch of stuff he's like you have to figure out are you selling two are you selling through or are you selling with and selling to is what Zan does that's sales right selling through and selling with building scalable channels is fundamentally what bisep does so that's sort of the difference um so we do a lot

of different things in my team um you know the take Cloud right we've got an amazing person covering cloud and Cloud Marketplace and basically building our Cloud strategy we've got you know I'm blessed to have amazing colleagues um who can help me because I don't know it all um I I I I think of myself as kind of as a conductor I guess but uh and I do have some experience I mean I don't suck but you know it's it is one of those things where it's like you your hiring is going to be your your most important decision you want to hire people who

are as good as if not better than you are in all cases regardless of the insecurities that might bring up um you know you really have to overcome a lot to um I think to do to really take any leadership role um and then zanen I think to a point you made earlier it's like you know wisdom and perspective you know Jeremy Allison he he he said this and and I don't know if Jeremy takes credit for this but I believe I heard it from him he said there's no compression algorithm for experience it's fantastic it's like it's like damn that's a good line so

you know um so there's that and and then you know at least in open source you definitely have to embrace the strange um and and and it's funny because you know when you think about all of the Personalities in open source I mean you it's it's very uh individualistic right so um there's a a quote from there's another quote from uh Neil Simon is play veloxy Blues it's never underestimate the stimulus value eccentricity um right so yeah I think she said too she's like I'd rather be thought of as weird and crazy than boring right it's true so yeah um so as as far as

like career advice if you're an engineer take sales training not so much so you'll appreciate all the hard work that salese and Business Development people do um but so that you can you can further your own agenda I mean how many times have you been in a meeting where um you know somebody shot down some idea that you were really passionate about but you didn't really have the tools to to position it appropriately to sell it to your organization because whether you realize it or not and I did not realize this back in the day we're all sales people it's a tagline user around here

body in well we say that we say that you know but but really you know we're we're all sales people we're selling ourselves to get hired we're selling our forward exactly and and and if you can polish those skills um the earlier you can do that the the the better off your career TR trajectory to be whether you're a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer or whether you go into sales which Zig Ziggler describes as a noble profession he's like I help people get what they want and and it's it's it's irrefutable it's true so yeah um that that's been important other books I

like to turn younger people on to was kind of to your point earlier about ownership of failures is Extreme ownership by jao Welling so Navy SEAL fantastic book and that was something I wish I had read when I was much younger and earlier on it's really easy when you to point fingers at everybody else a lot of Simon cynic videos out there are great Greg or CEO actually just pointed me to one I'd had seen it in the past but I'd forgotten how profound the observation was about the why the why the why you know so um you we learn from all kinds of different

people it's like you know kind of at least for me going through the Journey it was it was initially you know like crazy Libertarians Carl hes Doug Casey lash Laro who was an economist at Michigan State University who I took the hobo life in America class with and ultimately wound up jumping freight trains with um wait a minut hold on out time out what was the name of that this was a class actual class yeah yeah actually so so I I had gotten interested in hobos from a article I had read um as a teenager and I'll say I did focus on the article Define

a hobo Define a hobo because I'm not sure I'm thinking of what you're thinking of so hobos are people who travel around the country usually working so think itinerant workers but before migrant worker was a term okay so you know you've got bums Tramps and hobos hobos travel and work bums don't travel or work and tramps travel but they don't work so there's there's actually kind of a of a weird hierarchy there but but but I I fell in love just like with Jack kirak and you know like uh the his poetry and John Steinbeck being on the road I fell in love with the

notion of of being out there and experiencing different things you know there was a there's a 90 plus year old guy on my paper route when I was a kid I would see him out jogging as much as you can as a 90-year-old every morning you know like for him yeah and his advice to me he's like movement is life don't stop moving kid the minut you stop moving it's over and I I mean and this guy was evidence I mean as far as I know he's still alive you know I mean in my mind he is you know so um he probably is yeah

and and by moving around if I hadn't gotten out of Detroit if I hadn't gone off to college if I hadn't hit the road I never would have met Hunter Thompson I never would have met like Doug Casey I never would have met a host of incredible people that ultimately led to being able to do things like sit in a conference room at Kleiner Perkins and raise A4 and a half million dollar seed round for Linux care so all of these accumulative experiences you know sort of build your build your toolkit um you know and and that's a lifelong thing you never stop learning you

know um recently if I were to think of like recent mentors there's a guy named Brad Schwarz who's a VP of sales at he was a VP of sales at EMC he's now like he's now at a startup but incredible I learned so much from Brad um at Oracle um you know I can I can point at a ton of people uh clay guy named khem chowri he was phenomenal Mohan sovas my my former boss uh cash ifart Don John Johnson who launched uh Oracle Cloud infrastructure you know just very you know we we we I think you go if you're lucky to have one

Mentor like if you have that kind of focus I think that's awesome but for me I had many many Inspirations on the journey I guess fastic can I yeah sorry no I was like that's fantastic I was I was going to change to a little bit of kind of what he just pointed on but go ahead yeah yeah I mean this is sort of to but it also goes into one of the questions that we wanted to ask just about pieces of advice for people and just from like what you're sharing and my own experience and what I've heard other people say about like how

we actually learn it's not you know it's not just one thing like being inquisitive is a good is a is a really powerful aspect like I imagine that not only did you you know talk to these people and listen but you asked them questions about what they're doing and how they're being successful and and so I I guess just maybe well I I'd like to think they did I'd like to think they did I mean there were time like there were times where I was just like in such awe of what I'll give you an example this is crazy I grew up in Detroit right

where you know very very sort of middle class you know um and my dad man he he didn't see a penny he couldn't pinch I mean he was just a tight lie and you D for all you did so I'm on a freight train rolling Across The Plains of Utah I think probably somewhere between winam Maka Nevada and Salt Lake City so I'm on this train and with Doug Casey who's like a big shot guy go look him up on Google I mean just an incredible guy and and he's telling me about like he's you know buying some whatever the equivalent was of a Lambo

back then or something something something and and I'm just like why would you do that you know and he's like well these are just toys you know he's and and he's super rich guy I'm a kid you know and the the notion of just a car or really anything that you might be buy any material thing that you would spend more than a few bucks on as being a toy I mean it was stupid but it blew my mind as a kid you know so it's like so I think chasing those mindblowing experiences where you expand your horizons um moving to San Francisco expanded my

horizons and several fronts you know I mean moving to I lived I lived for 17 years in Southeast Asia I mean oh my God you know again the whole movement of is it's not like I'm running from something I'm more like running two new experiences that was ask ask you to go next was that experience of moving I mean it's one thing to move around here but you moved other side of the world yeah yeah well you know I did the silen valley thing Linux care was really traumatizing to be quite honest and and we all have those moments where I was going so after

Linux care ended I I was working for the free standards group as probably not the best CTO I could have been but you know it's like again learning I was just burned out and and I needed to do something different I had a little bit of money in the bank um you know thank you red hat thank you other docs that ipoed and put me on the friends and family so had a little bit of cash and and I just I just needed a bail for a while um so my goal was to go over there and decompress and I found out that you can

only spend so much time decompressing before you wind up like Tom Hanks you know Wilson talking the soccer ball and uh and and friends of mine who had been involved with Oracle uh said hey you should come work for Oracle I was looking at the state of my portfolio and everything I was like yeah I probably should do that so and and that's where the real hard lessons came actually that's you know understanding banking understanding Insurance you know um that's when I really really had to you know at lytics care you know we talked about price Services support but I didn't have a clue you

know I mean yeah kind of but not really I didn't know about compliance I didn't know about regulatory issues I didn't know about there's so much I didn't know so yeah so you you moved there first and then you went to work for Oracle I thought Oracle took you there oh no no no I was sitting on a beach you know talking to the soccer ball and what questioning My Life Choices up to that point and awesome yeah and then Oracle actually what happened is there was a guy named U um so it was uh uh ugin Kim uh who was formerly a founder of

a Linux company in Korea who's a friend of mine who worked for Shane owenby who went on to be the first managing director of Amazon in Asia Pacific um they were looking they were building kind of a Linux open source Center competency for Oracle in uh they call it jpac Japan and Asia Pacific so um ugan had asked me he was like well you know we're getting resumés would you look at the resumés for us and help us build the right team because I don't know I I I like to think I'm fairly good at building teams so um so I was like yeah I'm

happy to help just as a so I'm looking at resum like yeah this person's great maybe not this person but maybe these two people and uh and then I realized you know really the best person for one of the particular roles that they were looking for would be me I mean I really would have been the best person so I was like you should just hire me I can do it and I do it better than all of these other people and you know and they were like oh we can't afford you and Aren't you retired and everything and I'm like based on the state

of my portfolio I'm a cheap date you know make me an offer that isn't a total insult and let's have some fun you know um and that's another thing is is is as I embraced the people that I work with as possibly being my actual friends which is weird right because it's like for a long time I was very much you know work life balance involves separation of the two not integration of the two like that was a major Revelation for me like 15 or so years ago right once I dropped those barriers and that pretense and basically that BS once I got out of

my own way all of a sudden lots of possibilities open up makes work more fun makes work a lot more it makes work more fun and then yeah yeah and it's like work with people that you want to work with who aren't I mean you can choose right I mean I I could have chosen like when when so one of the primary reasons I came to ciq was um I I love the founders Greg is amazing Robert's amazing everybody I've met here yourself yourselves included amazing I I haven't had that since frankly I haven't had that since Linux care now the therapeutic value of doing

a l Linux services company over again has been extreme lot of free therapy here at ciq for a guy who went through the links here thing I'm so thankful that Greg is CEO um you know it's um but it's also been really um you know uh amazing and then to see younger Generations you know we have folks here uh I'm not going to call out names you know who you are but I'm not going to call out names because there's just so many and I don't want to do anybody a diservice by missing them but the the people here who are easily you much much

less than half my age are incredible they're incredible I hands down amazing so absolutely agreed shout out to all of you I do uh so John B had a question that popped up a second ago and he wants to know your hobo Road name oh my God so yeah all right so let's guess let's guess hobo you'll never guess never W again but I'm pretty excited the fact that he actually already came up with one it's pretty awesome the uh so actually what happened so how I got my road name my road name is Tides like the tide going in the tide going out that

wasn't something made makes sense that was that was uh there was a guy named hobo herb from uh from hobo herb was from bould I met him at the national hobo convention hobo tide so do you always put the hobo in front of it Tides only so if you're out on the rails if you're riding Am track around the country as some of us occasionally do and you see a water tower or a box car or something it says tides on it that was me in my early 20s you won't see I get it yeah with a big grease pencil yeah so um and that

came from just they were like what are we going to call you and hobo Herb's like call them to and that's yeah okay that happened in Creston Iowa on the side of the railro track somewhere brings up more questions about a hobo convention hobo convention National hob they still take place they do it's the national the last time you went so that's another interesting thing it's like you know coming back to the US after 17 years in jpack I have decided that I'm going to enjoy the journey as much as I can um so this summer I may actually go to Brit Iowa for the

hobo convention which is held in August so that's another you can Google it it's Brit Iowa National hobo convention it's again it's not a sophisticated it thing would would your typical but heck you know I used to Camp with Larry and Sergey and uh uh oh crap I forget this CEO's name um the Google guys at Burning Man um I've been I've been part of the Burning Man Organization for 20 plus years so um yeah did you stuck in the mud this year no this year I didn't actually um mostly because of the mud and the rain and the and uh my my truck still

there were a lot of factors involved but uh didn't make it out there this year you know what blew my mind art about that this year the airport you see thep of planes that were parked at the airport this time it's crazy I i' I've flown in once or twice and you know I I fly like this little Cherokee it's like a Volkswagen it is nothing to be proud of like you know you're lucky to get there well you're not I'm a reasonable pilot but um yeah I mean Gulf streams um G G6 yeah g5s I mean big aircraft it it's gone from basically a

field with a wind sock to something very very serious the FAA grants its special dispensation every year actually that's wild yeah it's a real airport I feel like you have to go to the hobo convention and then come back and tell us what's different since it's been a while how much it's changed how much hobos have changed in the last 20 years I is there like a hobo fit like a Young Person's terminology sorry I have a 14-year-old in the house not a Fitbit clothing I was with you I was with you well so I mean you learn different lessons in the hobo right like

for example um don't be downwind um okay that is that is good advice don't ride dirty face meaning if you're if you're picking a car to ride don't have the wind blowing in at you you're easier to spot and you get dirty um yeah I mean it's it's you know but again it's I haven't been in a freight train in over 20 years but um but it's it's an interesting way to see the C the country and kind of getting back to the whole point of meeting people and expanding your horizons um I went back and forth across the country a couple of times it's

how I decided to settle in San Francisco I just fell in love with the minute I got there um but you know getting out and meeting people and having conversations you would never have in soup kitchens you would probably never have a meal in really appreciating the the vast economic difference between like when I when I ride through San Francisco or Seattle and I see people by the side of the road in tents I really do feel for them I mean we as a society have have have failed in in a lot of ways so and that's another thing that you know leaving and coming

back 20 years later just seeing the differences so um compassion is certainly another element I probably had a lot less of it before but now it breaks my heart you know so we are really all over the all over the map on this call Fantastic kids don't do drugs that's my career advice well don't do all the drugs all don't keep doing them phrases don't do them don't do them all don't do them all at once okay so what is something that everybody in your industry should either stop doing immediately or start doing immediately oh that's a good one um yeah what should they stop

doing actually you know it's funny I uh which should they stop you know I'm scrolling through my notes notes because I actually had an answer to that and then completely take better notes there you go there you go stop buzz word Bingo well I I think making I think making assumptions as you get older right I mean and as you accumulate experience you the the urge to second guess is strong um I I I don't want to I don't want to say um that you shouldn't be curious and look around and expand your horizons but recognize expertise I think is important and value it um

that was one thing I saw in Asia Pacific that you that you don't quite so much see here you know um you see different perspective I would encourage people to look at things from from from uh from other angular perspectives and I I I'll give you an example this is this is a real simple one though um when I was a kid I failed algebra over and over I could not pass algebra but yet I was also working for a company called Williams and we wrote arcade software we wrote video games so I was doing like this sophisticated vector graphics game where you had like

this triangular guy that went around a pit and then you know it was a it was extremely math intensive it was math beyond my comprehension but I could do it because in my world xal X+ one is a true statement but a math quiz xal x + one is absolutely not true there's no case for that could be true but in in the context of programming language right all of a sudden you can make statements that make sense that aren't actually true so you you you have this new abstract framework or perspective by which you can solve a problem so where a mathematician might be

able to put you know like a mark to whiteboard and work out an equation I couldn't do that I would just drop the ball every single time but if it was a software it was a piece of software I could very easily write a program to do this thing and comprehend why it worked so I would encourage people to look at things differently or try and take the other person's perspective or put yourself in your customer shoes to put it in a sales vernacular um there's not always a a a single answer or single solve a problem so open up your mind a little bit

I guess it's very true kind like what you said earlier seek first to understand seek to understand love it try to be nice I mean why not make somebody's day better yes by the way I have never been on a more awesome awesome well-dressed articulate you guys are awesome make people's day better appreciate people back back to us man I like it appreciate we got we got the new ciq though man we gotta get you a new shirt oh well this was clean you know at the top of the pile so you know hey it's the easiest way I'm with you on that one that's

that's this was the same thing it was the top of the pile so that's what I get [Music] and and it's dark enough where the cat hair doesn't show so cat's still unhappy that you lock that you locked it out very unhappy yeah so it's so for for people who don't realize sometimes what I when I'm not on a customer call I leave my office door but I've got an orange tabby who loves to be a zoom star yeah right here she's always right here yes so uh yeah she uh so her name is mimo which means codependent and uh she lives lives up to

that very very very well good kid fantastic aome super sweet all right well there any final words uh tides that you would like to share with us before we close out this amazing time together you you do know art that that's going to be what everybody calls you from now right Tides with an eye right an ey or a y with an eye an eye everybody confuses it with a soap you know um final words of wisdom [Music] um I'm guilty of this myself um and and it's a it's a constant battle but spend more time listening try and listen to what somebody's saying before

you you know when it's like you know how it is you're talking to somebody it's like immediately the response pop you're so eager to get out you're it's like and I'm so guilty of that and and I struggle with it every day and and yeah try and listen be a better listener if you if you listen more and you expand your horizons you move around a bit try new things the path unfolds yeah yeah that was great that was deep okay mic drop we're done here thank you very much absolutely kides you are amazing thank you for all of the stories it is an absolute

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