
Google Cloud & CIQ: Rocky Linux is Now Fully Supported on GCP
We are excited to announce our partnership with Google Cloud Platform! In this webinar, Venkat Gattamneni from Google Cloud Platform will join us as we discuss Google Cloud and CIQ partnering to provide a first-class Linux experience and robust solutions for customers and the community. Feel free to post questions in the chat throughout the webinar as we will have a live Q&A session after the webinar recording.
Webinar Synopsis:
Speakers:
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Zane Hamilton, Director of Sales Engineering, CIQ
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Neil Hanlon, Solutions Architect, CIQ
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Gregory Kurtzer, Founder of Rocky Linux, Singularity/Apptainer, Warewulf, CentOS, and the CEO of CIQ
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Daniella Herrera, Partner Operations Manager, Google
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Venkat Gattamneni, Product Management Lead, Google
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Robert Adolph, Chief Product Officer, CIQ
Note: This transcript was created using speech recognition software. While it has been reviewed by human transcribers, it may contain errors.
Full Webinar Transcript:
Zane Hamilton:
Welcome back to another webinar with CIQ. We have some friends today with us from Google. We have an exciting announcement to make, and I will let Daniella and Venkat introduce themselves. Since we may be having a new group of people join us as well after them, Robert, Greg, would you introduce yourselves again as well? We will start with you Daniella. Tell us about yourself.
Daniella Herrera:
Of course. My name is Daniella Herrera. I am at Google. I am a Partner Operations Manager in the Cloud Support Space, and I help third parties go to market with Google and just ensure that customers have the best, most world class experience possible. I am very excited to be here. Thank you.
Zane Hamilton:
Excellent. Thank you. Venkat.
Venkat Gattamneni:
Thanks so much for having us, Zane and team. My name is Venkat Gattamneni. I lead our product management efforts on Google Cloud, as it relates to operating systems. In short, me and my teams job is to make sure that we provide customers a great experience for all of their different operating systems that they bring on the platform. And of course, I am very excited to be here and talk specifically about all the great stuff that we are working on while you are working with us, the CIQ team.
Zane Hamilton:
That is great. Thank you. Robert, would you like to introduce yourself again, please.
Robert Adolph:
Absolutely. I am the chief product officer for CIQ.
Zane Hamilton:
And Greg.
Gregory Kurtzer:
Hi everybody. I am Greg. I am one of the original founders of CentOS and the founder of CIQ and Rocky Linux.
Zane Hamilton:
Thank you very much. I think we should start off and explain to everybody what are we announcing today. Then what the customers from GCP can expect from this. I will give that to Venkat or Daniella, whichever one of you wants to start that one off?
Important Announcement [01:57]
Venkat Gattamneni:
Yeah, I can kick us off and I will let Daniella chime in here. This is very exciting for us to be announcing today. Fundamentally, what we have been doing undercover for a while now, a good six to eight months we have been doing this with the CIQ team. We are trying to build a model where customers can use Rocky Linux on the GCP platform and should they have any issues from a support point of view, they can just lift the phone up and call Google and we will work to support customers running Rocky on GCP or Google cloud and treat the support experience just as we would with any other first party service. I will let Daniella sort of explain a little bit more in detail as to what that entails.
That is the primary thing we are announcing today. The big value proposition for customers is that now they can run with full confidence on the platform, Rocky Linux, and bring their workloads onto the platform. And for those folks who are considering moving away from CentOS and looking for an option, they can rest assured that this is a very, very well supported experience on the platform. Of course, from a support point of view, we are sharing this exciting news today, but we have a lot more that we are working on, on the product side as well, that we will be able to share in the next few minutes.
Danielle, do you want to maybe give a quick detailed view on what the support engagement may look like for customers?
Customer Support Engagement [03:24]
Daniella Herrera:
Of course, just plus one to everything you said, Venkat. Like you mentioned, we want customers to know that we will be providing a Google and CIQ backed support experience for Rocky Linux, and what that means is that if a customer has a problem with their Rocky Linux, that they are running on GCE, they'll be able to contact Google like they do for first party products right now and we will take it from there. Essentially we will engage with CIQ as needed. The reason we are doing this is because we want our customers to be comfortable and to be excited about using Rocky Linux and make sure they are able to get the most out of it and have the most world class experience that they can.
Zane Hamilton:
That is great. Thank you very much. Greg, from a Rocky perspective, why is this so exciting?
Why Is This Important [04:19]
Gregory Kurtzer:
I am going to describe this from the community standpoint, first and foremost. What we have seen over the years, as we have seen open source projects come and go and we have seen them being led by various companies and led by various organizations, I think I would really focus on what makes an open source project stable and what we need right now is stability in that fundamental, foundational operating system piece. What makes it stable is not just having a single company behind that operating system. It is having a whole group, a community of individuals, of organizations, of companies, even competing organizations, if we can, and pull everything together. Then, by pulling everybody together and having that single unified commitment to that open source project, we are able to create this massive amount of stability in that project itself.
That was really our goal with what we started off trying to do and trying to solve with Rocky. This partnership in this collaboration, both in terms of the community and open source space, as well as now, the value we can bring to that community and to customers is just so incredibly exciting as we can now take from the Google Cloud platform all the way up through that platform, through the operating system, to the end user customer experience. The entire thing is now supported. It is now a single unified solution. Because of that again, it is phenomenal. This partnership is really just first in class.
Gregory Kurtzer:
It really unifies this shared vision that we have with CIQ and Google in terms of solving problems and a commitment to customers and customers first. Because of that, from the very first moment we started talking and collaborating on this, that alignment really is what just drove this commitment to bringing this forth to customers. Again, we are excited. This is awesome.
Zane Hamilton:
That is great. One of the things I want to do, Greg, I think it is important because there may be people here that are GCP users today that may not know what Rocky Linux is or where it came from. Could you give us just a little bit of background on what Rocky is, where they come from and then a little bit probably about where CentOS came from.
Rocky Linux Background [07:08]
Gregory Kurtzer:
Yeah, I would be happy to. You do not need to give me a second cue to keep talking and hog the mic.
Zane Hamilton:
I will ask you one more question before we go any further on that. How should you say CentOS?
Gregory Kurtzer:
Oh my goodness. There is a whole story behind this. The name CentOS was actually offered by one of our early co-founders. His name was Lance and he offered up the name, CentOS, and everything at that point was in IRC, the predecessor to Slack and other chat systems and everything. I just saw it spelled and I am like, "oh, that is really awesome. I love the name," and I said, "but you know, one thing..." because you can read it two different ways. You can read it as Centos or CentOs, or Cent OS.
I said, "you know, I really do not like Cent OS because, I get it, it is an operating system, but you are putting a lot of emphasis on that cent piece and cent kind of has come known to mean it is cheap, it is not expensive but it is something. And going from nothing to something is an infinite increase.” And so I said, "it is infinitely more expensive than actually what it is, which is free." So I said, "I do not like cent OS." Now of course, then the logo came out and it was Cent with capital OS. So of course everybody now says Cent OS, but yeah, there is the story.
Zane Hamilton:
And I am guilty of it. I think I said it actually when I asked you how to say it correctly.
Gregory Kurtzer:
It used to hit me every time. It would be like, oh gosh, you are doing it. It has been what, 16, 17 years? I have gotten over it. I am okay with it now, however you want to say it. I am cool with it.
Zane Hamilton:
All right. So from CentOS to Rocky. What is Rocky? Where do they come from?
Gregory Kurtzer:
We founded CentOS. CentOS grew and over time became a major operating system player in the Enterprise Linux space. Again, over time, Red Hat ended up acquiring this open source project. Through that, by the way, I was not part of that decision. I was long gone in a manner of speaking out of the CentOS world before that. So everything that CentOS came to be, in terms of how widely spread it was and whatnot, I was there for the beginning, but a big prop out to the CentOS team that has just done so much to make that such a long term success into the ecosystem.
What ended up happening was, Red Hat ended up acquiring it in December, 2019.
Anyway, there was an announcement that CentOS was going to be end-of-lifed. And in addition to end-of-lifed pivots. And so it would end up being in front of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), and then become a community portal, which is a fantastic move for Enterprise Linux and all of the Linux distributions that are taking part in the Enterprise Linux family of distributions. But, that kind of key piece that we have all come to know and love, all of a sudden just kind of went poof and it was no longer there. So, within, I think it was an hour or two after the CentOS blog was made, I posted on there, "Hey, I am thinking of doing a new CentOS. Anyone want to come and be part of that?"
In about two months, less than two months actually, there was about 10,000 members of the community that have joined up and I think almost all of those 10,000 people, it felt like at least they all messaged me directly, because of the amount of people asking to help. We decided immediately that this is going to be a massive community project and it really demonstrates how important CentOS is to the world. We are just happy to be part of it. We are happy to help enable that. And one of the things that we decided, a decision actually fairly early on, was that we did not want to put this into CIQ, into our company.
As I mentioned before, the key to a stable community is not keeping it inside of a single company. It is to actually put it out there and grow it to where there is a community of organizations, companies, and individuals that are all part of that project. We put it out there. We helped create the Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation, and as I said, 10,000 members of the community joined and wanted to be part of this. We had multiple clouds wanting to join, Google was among the first, and vendors, IHVs, ISVs, and this community kept growing and growing.
We started building the operating system immediately, but it was so important that everything we do is community first. We did not bring over any resources that preexisted from anything else. Everything was developed from scratch, being run and developed and managed by the community itself. That includes our build system. It includes all of the tech that we have used and all of the components that we have used in order to pull this whole thing together. Everything is out there in the community, but what that meant is it took us a few months to actually build up that infrastructure. So, four months to build up the infrastructure, approximately, two months to actually then build the operating system.
It is not just two months to build it. We were actually working on it in parallel while we were building the infrastructure, but two months to actually get it to go through the infrastructure, pop out an ISO that we can actually start playing with and testing, another month of testing, seven months later, we actually now have an operating system. Immediately it just took off. We had a few people in the media that mentioned that this was the most anticipated release of the year. It just took off. Since then, we are still usually just over north of a quarter million downloads a month, in terms of usage and people pulling it from our primary mirrors, from our tier one and on, and it just continues to grow. It continues to thrive. We are always hearing about more vendors and organizations that are moving toward this. It has been an absolutely exciting journey and it is an honor to be part of it.
Zane Hamilton:
That is fantastic. From a Google perspective, Venkat, how have you seen Rocky take off or has it taken off as a part of UCP? And are you seeing larger customers start moving their operating system of choice over to Rocky?
Customer Transitions To Rocky Linux [14:38]
Venkat Gattamneni:
Yeah, I think on the Google side we have, and by the way, all the mind share that Greg and the community has built up and you guys have built up, we definitely see it on our side as well. A large number of customers are using Rocky, by the way, on Google Cloud today. If you look at these customers, they are all using it for general purpose. There is not a specific use case. There are folks who are using it for high performance computing use cases. There are folks using it for their third party applications, et cetera, et cetera.
Definitely, we are seeing a trend of increased Rocky usage on Google Cloud. That is a very, very healthy trend in usage we are seeing, but beyond that, I think the mind share among the customer base that is already there for Rocky is mind blowing. Many customers that we are talking to today are looking for alternatives. They are still exploring and looking for alternatives. They have not yet jumped on Rocky Linux's yet. As they are exploring the different options, Rocky definitely is in that consideration list. In fact, I would say it is in the top of that consideration list. For many of these customers, who have not yet jumped on the Rocky bandwagon or are not using Rocky yet, they are seriously considering it and they are kicking the tires if you will with some of their applications.
That usually is a signal for what will follow. In these customer conversations, a few things that are definitely coming up from our perspective, Google's perspective is, is this something that Google will stand behind from a support point of view? What does the long term roadmap look like here from a Google cloud perspective? And those are the kinds of things that are exciting for us to hear from customers, and that is precisely the work we are doing with the CIQ here.
I have no doubt that with all the good work that you guys are doing and all the community rallying behind this, and with the work that we are particularly talking about and doing here behind the Rocky experience on Google Cloud, definitely a lot more customers and large customers will start adopting. Of course, with CentOS 7 going into end of life etcetera, which is where majority of the usage is right now, we will definitely see a chunk of those folks considering Rocky and moving to Rocky as one of the credible alternatives to their current operating system.
Zane Hamilton:
Sure. Thank you. Robert, I am going to pick on you next, because you have been quiet this whole time.
What are your thoughts on this partnership and what does it mean around the shared values for Google and CIQ? I will let Daniella, and then Venkat answer that as well, but please go Robert.
Google/CIQ Partnership [17:20]
Robert Adolph:
Probably from the first conversations we had with Venkat's team, we were in complete alignment on a shared vision of truly serving the customers and giving back to the community while we do that. From the very first conversations, we have also had almost complete alignment on how to do that. It was actually very easy to figure out how to go push us into the community today and really just start driving the adoption. One of the biggest things, I think, that Venkat and his team also brings is the ability now to have that level of confidence for customers to now move.
There is multiple years of commitments. There is multiple thought processes of how we are going to build this out. There is many different other value ads and capabilities we want to bring from a product perspective. It is not just this announcement and that is it. It is a true partnership to drive back to those customer successes that we all really want to drive and I will leave it to Venkat and Daniella to dive in a little bit more on the how, but from a high level perspective, we were in complete alignment from day one.
Zane Hamilton:
Excellent. Thank you. Venkat, do you have anything you would like to add?
Venkat Gattamneni:
I think adding to Robert's point, I want to underscore the word confidence that he used. That is, I think, the foundational sort of tenant of our partnership here. We are here together to make sure that customers have the confidence in the Rocky experience we are creating on Google cloud. Why that is so important for us as Google is because, as customers know, Google does not have a first party operating system here.
Our philosophy is to make sure that the operating systems that customers choose, we provide a rock solid experience and confidence behind those operating systems. Now that said, of course there is a big industry shift happening here with many customers looking for alternatives to send to us right now. We want to definitely make sure that the Rocky experience is an extremely credible alternative for customers to choose. That is the core vision shared between us and CIQ here.
From a tactical perspective, in terms of things to look out for or the types of work that we will be engaging with the CIQ team to launch to customers, we are of course announcing the support model today. In the coming months, we will have much more to share about all the various things from the product point of view that we are doing to ensure that streamlined experience is there for customers on Google Cloud. This ranges from making tweaks, or fine tuning, to the operating system itself. To all the other tools that a customer will need in order for them to easily migrate over to Rocky and to ensure that their workloads and applications are running in a performance tuned and a great way on top of Rocky.
That is the kind of work we are undertaking. Of course, we also have an email address, rockylinux@google.com, which we urge customers to reach out to us, to engage with us and talk to us, so we can help shape this experience right, hearing directly from customers. That is my end, adding a little bit on the shared vision between the two companies.
Zane Hamilton:
No, that is great. Thank you. Daniella, do you have anything to add?
Daniella Herrera:
Just that we have been working together for a bit of time to get this partnership up and running and it was very clear from the beginning how important the customer experience was and how thoughtful everybody was about the different ways that we were going to interact and make sure that that was kept to the highest standard possible. I am very excited for our partnership together and to Greg's point about giving back to the community, I think that this is a way that we can do that. I am just very excited for our partnership overall.
Zane Hamilton:
Very good. Thank you. Daniella, I will come back to you with the next question and from an end user experience, or as a user of UCP, we talk about customer experience. What is the customer experience? What are they getting out of this?
Improved Customer Experience [21:53]
Daniella Herrera:
We are essentially offering the same support that we do for our first party products and for other OS distros. Now customers that have a paid support entitlement with Google support can reach out to Google with their issue, and we will do what needs to be done to help resolve the case after they open a case with us. That means we will have CIQ rockstar, super Rocky Linux users that might help us on the back end, but in the end, Google will be quarterbacking that customer case from beginning to end. Our customers will know that they will have a person to reach out to if there is any questions. We are very excited about that. We have made sure that the process is again, as painless as possible. We strive for an Enterprise customer experience. That is what customers should be expecting.
Zane Hamilton:
Thank you. Greg, listening to all of this in talking about a very specific version of Rocky for cloud, is this in any way related to, or does it have anything to do with the SIG for cloud initiative that is happening within the Rocky community right now?
Relation To SIG For Cloud [23:10]
Gregory Kurtzer:
What Zane is alluding to is that we have a SIG cloud that we have spun up about a month and a half ago. As I said, time is just a complete blur for me at this point. And just to correct something I said before, I said December 2019. It was 2020. I got a bunch of messages of how dumb I am. So sorry about that, everybody. We started a SIG cloud a few months ago, I am just going to be very abstract now instead of talking specific, a few months ago and the goal of this is to not only engage specifically with Google here, but to engage with all of the cloud providers and consumers and users of the different clouds to provide capabilities back into the community, which would be optimal for all cloud experiences.
Obviously, Google is a big part of that. We are the other clouds and we want that level of engagement and collaboration between the different organizations. And again, this is what brings a stable open source project into being, and to maintain all of those different collaborations and people working together. We are super excited about that. What we are going to be doing, and now more specifically, what we are going to be adding optimizations to Rocky. These are going to be opt-in optimizations. With that, we are basically going to be creating, first and foremost, a Google optimized version of Rocky Linux. I keep shooting for the acronym, "Go Rocky," for short on Google optimize.
We will see if Google goes for that with time. The go Rocky version will basically have cloud optimizations for Google cloud. Those optimizations, along with other optimizations for other clouds, are all going to go into the SIG cloud, which is part of the Rocky Enterprise software foundation and will be available to not only all Rocky Linux users, but all users of Enterprise Linux and all of the different variants of Enterprise Linux in that family of distributions. Again, huge, huge amounts of coolness and awesomeness all coming through the pipe. We are super excited about being able to bring this into the community with our new partners, Google.
Zane Hamilton:
That is great. It is very exciting guys. I think we are getting close to the end of time, and I want to open this up if there is anything that you guys want to talk about specifically. I am just going to go around and I will start with Robert, because he seems to be the quietest again today. Do you have anything you would like to close with on this?
Closing Remarks [26:07]
Robert Adolph:
Yeah, very simply, and Venkat reiterated it earlier, it is that confidence for customers to go put Rocky into production on Google cloud. That is what we are trying to do. That was the ultimate goal and I think in execution of that, Danielle and her team have designed a great model, with the help of our team as well. I stand behind her to where at any level of need, on Google cloud, you will be taken care of when it comes to the operating system and running your application. We are super excited and we look forward to a lot of success stories.
Zane Hamilton:
Thank you, Robert. Daniella, do you have any final thoughts for us?
Daniella Herrera:
No, just it was great chatting with everyone and we are super excited to hear back from the community about their thoughts. Thanks for having us.
Zane Hamilton:
Thank you. Venkat.
Venkat Gattamneni:
Yeah, I mean first of all, I want to say a big thank you to the CIQ team here. It has been great working with the team in creating the support model and all of the stuff that we are sort of talking through here. The second thing is, especially if you are a customer listening to this and you are still thinking, "Hey, should I be running Rocky on Google cloud or not?" I am hoping that we are putting that doubt to rest. We are here. We got your back, from a support point of view, from product point of view, et cetera. If there are certain things, by way of optimizations or things that we could do better in terms of making sure that you can run this even more confidently, please do reach out to us rockylinux@google.com. We are here to hear you and make this experience even better as we go along.
Zane Hamilton:
Thank you. Greg, I will give you almost the last word.
Gregory Kurtzer:
Almost, huh? I just really wanted to just express my gratitude. The Google team that we have been working with, Venkat, Daniella and everybody on your teams, has been fantastic. It has been a pleasure to work with you, and it is so exciting after all of the many months. Again, I am not putting a time on it because I will get it wrong, but the many months that we have been working together and bringing this into reality, has just been super exciting. It is just exciting. It is just an absolute pleasure to work with you. Thank you.
Zane Hamilton:
Thank you, Greg. Again for everybody out there, if you are looking for more information on this, reach out to Google, reach out to us. Live chat is always available. There is a lot of information on the website. Send emails to rockylinux@google.com. Again, we are here for you. If you would, go ahead and like, and subscribe. We would appreciate it, being able to keep in touch with you guys, and I really want to thank Daniella and Venkat for spending the time. Thank you guys for coming. We really appreciate it, and we are looking forward to where we can go next. Thank you very much, guys.
Q&A of Live Event [29:06]
Zane Hamilton:
Welcome back everyone. Daniella, good to see you again. Robert, Greg it is an exciting day.
Zane Hamilton:
I see that we have a couple questions. Thank you, Mr. Yarrow. It has been a long time. It is good to see you again. John's asking about, "what are the differences between Red Hat, so RHEL, and Rocky on GCP." I will let you guys give it a shot or you can answer that or I will take it. How do you want to approach it? I guess we will start with Venkat.
Differences Between Red Hat and Rocky [29:58]
Venkat Gattamneni:
I can take a stab at it and we will look to Robert and Greg to talk about the specific differences between the actual operating systems, Red Hat and Rocky. Now, as far as Google cloud is concerned, like I said in the webinar, our philosophy is to make sure that we create a great experience for you, no matter your operating system. Of course, if Red Hat is a choice for you, then that is very well supported on the platform today. We have optimized images for Red Hat on a PSU basis for your licensing. Of course, you can bring your images on as well. If you are looking at Rocky Linux as an alternative to your CentOS usage or your general purpose applications, that is what we are creating a great experience here with CIQ team. From a Google point of view, we love all workloads. We love all Linux workloads in all CentOS workloads, and we want to make sure that we continue to up the game and provide great experience for customers across the different distributions customers have. I will look to Greg and Robert to maybe talk about some of the fine differences, right between the two distributions.
Gregory Kurtzer:
Hopefully none at a high level view. The goal of Rocky is to be, there is a bit for bit compatibility and there is bug for bug compatibility. We aim for both of those. We are looking for API and ABI compatibility, as close to legally the exact same experience that you get on one Enterprise Linux version compared to another Enterprise Linux version of a Linux distribution. That is our goal. Our goal is to see no differences between Red Hat, between Rocky or any of the other distributions within the Enterprise Linux family.
Zane Hamilton:
Great. Thank you. John has another question. He has asked me, "how does Rocky play with DevOps tools?" This is a pretty broad statement, because I think there's a lot of different DevOps tools that we could talk about, but I think the ones that come to mind for me are really around configuration management, and they play great with Rocky. If it works with RHEL, or the other RHEL variance, it does really well. I think Greg, you probably have something to say about that as well.
Rocky and DevOps [32:14]
Gregory Kurtzer:
I would basically just poke at the same point, which is, the same exact tools that you are using for Red Hat, for any of your Enterprise Linux family of distributions, are going to work on Rocky in exactly the same way. And if it doesn't, that is a bug. Let us know. It will get fixed. Everything that you are currently doing, the goal of this is to have almost no transition issues going from one to the next. To have a completely smooth compatible experience as you change from CentOS, as CentOS has gone end of life, to Rocky. That is the goal. What you are currently doing on Red Hat, what you are currently doing on CentOS, it would be very surprising if any of it does not work in exactly the same way. If you find that it doesn't work in the same way, let us know. This is part of why this partnership is so amazing. Let us know. We will work on it. We will help you.
Zane Hamilton:
Thank you. Greg, I know that you have received this question this morning, but I will ask Venkat the question, "how does this change the freely available images that are out there for Rocky on GCP?"
Free Images for Rocky on GCP [33:28]
Venkat Gattamneni:
It does not change anything. In fact, I would say, if folks are ready and want to try Rocky today and want to use Rocky on Google Cloud today, the images are there. All we are doing today is making sure that for folks who use that, if they have a support entitlement with Google, they can call Google and get support. That is what is actually changing. It is an add-on on top of existing Rocky images and all the additional changes that we are making, or optimizations we are making. We are planning on launching those in the coming months. When we launch, we will make sure that there are seamless transitions for customers who want to opt into those options, as we take those optimizations, so on and so forth. By no means do I want to say, "Hey, wait for more things to come." No, the images that are there today, go and use them. They are already fine tuned and built for a great experience on Google Cloud.
Gregory Kurtzer:
I would just add in real quick that this is a benefit for the community. This is a huge benefit for the community to have multiple organizations, again, stepping up to offer support, offer services around Rocky Linux and to really ensure the success and the wonderful, turnkey experience of Rocky Linux. We are very excited about this. It is a fantastic step in my mind for Enterprise level customers and consumers who really want to count on open source and community as that base foundation.
Zane Hamilton:
Great. Thank you, Greg. Anyone else have something else they would like to add to that? If not, I have another question.
All right. Forrest actually brought up a really good point. Since we are really an HPC focused company, can we talk about how this partnership will impact that kind of HPC computing, when it comes to GCP? Robert.
Impact of Google/CIQ Partnership [35:36]
Gregory Kurtzer:
I was going to say, who are you calling on Zane?
Zane Hamilton:
Robert's a great one for that one.
Robert Adolph:
We will have optimizations that we will be able to provide for that specifically. That is obviously something that we are talking to Venkat and his team for down the road of further integrations and further optimizations. That will definitely be a big part of it. I think every customer probably cares about performance and every customer probably cares about being able to run their specific workloads up on GCP. We have a name to optimize any and all of those workloads. Nevermind. Just HPC.
Zane Hamilton:
Great. Thank you very much. I do not see any more questions coming in. Would anybody like to just throw out some last thoughts here before we wrap it up? Other than that we are all excited and really appreciate the time.
Gregory Kurtzer:
Can we talk a little bit about, now this is completely ad hoc so apologies. Can we talk a little bit about timelines and when customers can expect to see certain capabilities coming down and being available?
I think Venkat's pulling up a document.
Timeline of Expectations [37:03]
Venkat Gattamneni:
My old map of radius things... I would say we are talking of weeks to months from a timeframe perspective in starting to launch some of these optimizations we are talking about. Today, we do not have anything specific to announce on that, but to say that any optimizations that we are thinking through are going to be in closed concert with what customers are telling us. In fact, I would flip this back and say, "Hey, please reach out to us because we are actively planning all these optimizations and features." The first round of these, I do expect they will start coming in the next few months and then definitely it is going to be a rolling thunder, right? The work is not going to get done in a few months. This is a long term relationship and commitment between the two companies to make sure we continuously hear and iterate on the experience from customers. So, a lot to expect here, but I would say months, weeks to months to that timeframe.
Gregory Kurtzer:
I would also add to that, that the SIG cloud is already in progress. If there is anyone out there that actually wants to join, wants to help be part of this, as I mentioned before, many of the other clouds are already involved with this. We do want to have more representation from Enterprise consumers and customers as well, as part of that special interest group. Please join the Mattermost, reach out to us, contact us and get involved. We would love to have more people involved, more organizations and input.
Zane Hamilton:
Absolutely. Well guys, I appreciate you coming back and joining us for this quick Q&A. Again, really excited about the partnership and looking forward to seeing where we go next. If you guys would look and like, and subscribe, we'd really appreciate you keeping in touch with us and look forward to more announcements and stuff going on in the future with Google. Thanks guys.
Gregory Kurtzer:
Thank you.
Daniella Herrera:
Thank you.
Transcript
so welcome back to another webinar with ciq we have some friends today with us from google so we have an exciting announcement to make and i will let daniella and venkat introduce themselves and since we may be having a new group of people join us as well after them robert greg would you introduce yourselves again as well so we'll start with you daniela tell us about yourself of course my name is daniela i'm at google i am a partner operations manager in the cloud support space and i hope third parties go to market with google and just ensure that customers have the best um most
world cup class experience possible and i'm very excited to be here thank you excellent thank you thank you yeah thanks so much for having us uh zayn and team um my name is venkat guttanini i read our product management efforts on google cloud as it relates to operating systems in short my job is to make sure in my team's job is to make sure that we provide customers a great experience for all of their different operating systems that they bring on the platform and today of course i'm very excited to kind of be here and talk specifically about you know all the great stuff we're
working uh you know on doing on rocky linux here with uh the ci2 team that's great thank you robert would you like introduce yourself again please absolutely so i'm the chief product officer for uh ciq and greg hi everybody uh i'm greg i'm uh one of the original founders of centos going way back not to date myself too much um and uh founder um of ciq and uh rocky linux thank you very much so i i think we should start off and just kind of explain to everybody what are we announcing today and then what can the customers from gcp expect from this i'll tell
you to think or daniella whichever one of you want to start that one off yeah i can kick us off and i'll let daniella chime in here this is of course very exciting for us to be announcing today uh so fundamentally what we have been doing uh undercovers for a while now a good six to eight months um we've been doing this with the ciq team is we're trying to build a model where customers can use rocky linux on the gcp platform and should they have any issues from a support point of view uh they can just lift the phone up and call google and
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we will work to support customers uh running rocky on gcp or google cloud and you know treat the support experience just as we would with any other first party service uh and i'll let daniella sort of explain a little bit more in detail as to what that uh entails uh so that's kind of like the primary thing we're announcing today so and the the big value proposition for customers is that now they can run with full confidence on the platform rocky linux and bring their workloads onto the platform and for those folks who are considering you know moving away from send to us and looking
for an option uh they can rest assured that this is a very very you know well supported um experience on the platform uh of course from a support point of view we we're sharing this exciting news today uh but we have a lot more um sort of like you know um that we're working on on the product side as well that we'll be able to share uh in the next few minutes danielle do you want to maybe give a quick uh sort of you know a detailed view on what the support engagement may look like for customers of course of course and um just plus
one for everything you said venkat um like you mentioned we want customers to know that we will be providing a google and ciq backed support experience for rocky linux and what that means is that if a customer has a problem with their rocky linux that they're running on you know on gce they'll be able to contact google like they do for first party products right now and we'll take it from there essentially we'll engage with ciq as needed and the reason we're doing this is because we want our customers to be comfortable and to you know be excited about really like using rocky linux and
make sure um they're able to get the most out of it and have the most world-class experience that they can that's great thank you very much so greg from a rocky perspective why is this so exciting oh goodness so first off this is this is exciting now it's just from a rocky perspective i think every perspective is super cool absolutely so uh i'm gonna kind of describe this from the community standpoint uh first and foremost uh the you know what we've seen over the years is we've seen open source projects uh kind of come and go and we've seen them you know being led by
various companies and led by various organizations and but but i i think i would really focus on what makes an open source project stable and what we need right now is stability in that fundamental foundational operating system piece what makes it stable is not just having a single company behind that operating system it's having a whole group a community of individuals of organizations of companies even competing organizations if we can and pull everything together and then that by pulling everybody together and having that single unified uh commitment to that open source project we're able to create this massive amount of stability in that project itself
and that was really our goal with what we started off trying to do and trying to solve with rocky and so this partnership and this collaboration both in terms of the community and open source space as well as now the value we can bring to that community and to customers is just so incredibly exciting because what this what this keys in on is we can now take from the the google cloud platform all the way up through that platform through the operating system to the end user customer experience the entire thing is now supported it is now a single unified solution and because of that
again yeah it's just it's phenomenal so this partnership is is really just first in class customer first which one more point if you don't mind me hugging the mic absolutely it's it's it really unifies this shared vision that we have with ciq and google in terms of solving problems and a commitment to customers and customers first and because of that from the very first moment we started talking and collaborating on this that alignment really is what just drove this commitment to bringing this forth to customers so again yeah we're excited this is awesome that's great so one of the things i want to do greg
i think it's important because there may be people here that are gcp users today that may not know what rocky linux is or where it came from so could you give us just a little bit of background on what rocky is where did it come from and kind of a little bit probably about where centos came from yeah i'd be happy to so uh you don't you don't need to give me a second cue to keep talking and hug the mic um so and i'll i'll ask you one more question before we go any further on that how should you say sentos oh my goodness
there's a whole story behind this okay okay you knew that didn't you absolutely so um so the name centos was actually um uh offered by one of our early uh one one of our co-founders actually so i was gonna say early uh developers but was actually a co-founder um his name was lance and he offered up the name uh sentos and everything at that point was in was in irc you know the predecessor to slack um and other chat systems everything else and everything yeah and so um i just saw it spelt and i'm like oh that's really awesome i love the name um and
i said but you know one thing uh you know because you can kind of read it two different ways you can read it as sentos or centas however you want to pronounce it or it's sent os and i said you know really don't like scent os because i get it it's an operating system but you know you're putting a lot of emphasis on that scent piece and scent kind of has come known to you know mean you know it's cheap it's not expensive but it's something and going from nothing to something is an infinite increase and so i said it's infinitely more expensive than actually
what it is which is free so i said i don't like sent os now of course then the logo came out and it was sent with capital os so of course everybody now says sent os but yeah there's but i think i how to say it correctly so um i i used to it used to like hit me every time and be like oh gosh you're doing it um i've it's been like what 16 17 years i i've i've gotten over it i'm okay with it now however you want to say it i'm cool with it all right so from centos to rocky what is
rocky where they come from so uh we founded going back in time real quick we founded centos sentos came to be sentos um grew and over time became uh a major operating system player in the enterprise linux space uh again over time red hat red hat was ended up acquiring uh this open source project and um and through that by the way i was not part of that decision i was uh long gone in a matter of speaking out of the centos world uh before that and um so everything that centos came to be uh in terms of how you know widely spread it was
and whatnot i was there for the beginning but a big prop out to the centos team that has you know um just done so much to make that uh such a long-term success into the ecosystem but what ended up happening was you know red hat ended up acquiring it um about let's see what was it december uh 2019 i believe um years at this point just are all big cloud fuzzy cloud to me uh anyway uh there was an announcement that centos was going to be end of life um and in addition to end of life pivoted and so it would end up being in
front of red hat enterprise linux and then become a community portal which is a fantastic move for enterprise linux and all of the linux distributions that are taking part of the in the enterprise linux family of distributions uh but that that kind of key piece that we were all we've all come to know and love as all of a sudden just kind of went poof and it was no longer there so um within i don't remember i think it was an hour or two after the centos blog was made um i posted on there hey i'm thinking of doing a new centos anyone want to
come and be part of that in about two two months less than two months actually there was about ten thousand members of the community that have joined up and i think almost all of those ten thousand people i think best felt felt like at least they all messaged me directly um because the amount of people asking to help uh and we we decided immediately that this is going to be a massive community uh project uh and it really demonstrates how important sentos is to the world and we're just we're just happy to be part of it we're happy to help enable that uh and one
of the things that we decided uh decision actually fairly early on was that we did not want to put this into ciq into our company as i mentioned before the key to a stable community is not keeping it inside of a single company it's to actually put it out there and grow it to where it's a community of organizations companies and individuals that are all part of that that project so we put it out there we helped create the rocky enterprise software foundation and as i said 10 000 members of the community jumped in joined wanted to be part of this we had multiple clouds
want to join google was among the first and vendors ihvs isvs and just this community just kept growing and just growing we we started building the operating system immediately but it was so important that everything we do is community first so we did not bring over any resources that that pre-existed from anything else everything was developed from scratch being run and developed and managed by the community itself so our includes our build system that includes um you know all of the tech that we've used and all the components that we've used in order to pull this whole thing together so everything is out there in
the community but what that meant is it took us a few months to actually build up that infrastructure so four months to build up the infrastructure approximately two months to actually then build the operating system it's not just the two months to build it we were actually working on it while in parallel while we were building the infrastructure but two months to actually get it to go through the infrastructure pop out a district an iso that we can actually start playing with and testing another month of testing seven months later we actually now have an operating system and uh immediately it just took off we
had a few few people in media that mentioned that this was the uh most anticipated release of of uh of the year and it was just yeah it just took off and even since then we're still you know usually just just over north of a quarter million downloads a month in terms of usage and um and you know people pulling it from from our primary mirrors from our tier one and and and on and it's just yeah it just continues to grow it continues to thrive and we're always hearing about more uh vendors and organizations that are moving towards this so it's been an absolutely
exciting journey and it's it's an honor to be part of it that's fantastic so from a google perspective and vinca how how have you seen rocky take off or has it taken off as a part of gcp and are you seeing larger customers start moving their thing their operating system of choice over to rocky yeah i think on the google side we have and oh by the way all the mind share that greg and community has built up and you guys have built up we definitely see it on our side as well a large number of customers have are using rocky by the way on
google cloud today and if you look at these customers there is by the way they're all using it for general purpose right there isn't like a specific use case there are folks who are using it for you know high performance computing use cases there are folks using it for their uh you know third party applications etc etc um and by so so definitely we are seeing a trend of rocky increased rocky usage on google cloud that's a very very healthy trend and usage we're seeing but beyond that i think the mind share among the customer base that is already there for rocky is is mind
blowing and many customers that we're talking to today are looking for alternatives they're still exploring and looking for alternatives they haven't yet jumped on rocky lenses yet and as they are sort of exploring the different options rocky definitely is in that consideration list in fact i would say it's in the top top of that consideration list and for many of these customers you know they are um you know who have not yet jumped on the rocky bandwagon or are not using nokia's yet they're seriously considering it and you know they're kicking the tires if you will right with some of their applications so that usually
is a signal for what will follow and in these customer conversations a few things they're definitely coming up is uh you know from our perspective google's perspective is is this something that google will stand behind from a support point of view what does the long-term sort of road map look like here for you know from a google cloud perspective and those are kinds of things that are exciting for us to hear from customers and that's precisely the work we're doing with ciq here and i have no doubt that with all the good work that you know you guys are doing and all the community sort
of rallying behind this and with the work that we are particularly talking about and doing here behind the rocky experience on google cloud definitely a lot more customers and large customers will uh will start adopting right and of course you know with centos 7 going end of life etc which is where majority of the usage is right now uh we will definitely see a chunk of those folks considering rocky and moving to rocky as one of the you know credible alternators to kind of their current operating system sure thank you so robert i'm going to pick on you next because you've been quiet this whole
time so what are your thoughts on this partnership and kind of what does it mean around the shared values for google and ciq and i'll let daniella and venkat answer that as well but please go robert yeah definitely um probably from the first conversations we had with venkat's team you know we were in complete alignment on a shared vision of truly serving the customers and and giving back to the community why we do that so uh from the very first conversations we've also had almost complete alignment on how to do that so it was actually very easy to kind of figure out how to go
push this into the to the community today and really just start driving uh the adoption one of the biggest things i think that venkat and his team also brings is the ability now to have that level of confidence for customers to now move there's a multiple years of commitments there's multiple thought processes of how we're going to build this out there's many different other value adds and capabilities we want to bring from a product perspective so it's not just this announcement and that's it it's a true partnership to drive back to those customer successes that we all really want to drive and and i'll leave
it to ben cat and danella to dive in a little bit more on the how but and from a high level perspective we're in complete alignment from day one excellent thank you thank god you think you'd like that sorry i didn't mean to cut you off luckily i think adding to robert's point i think i want to underscore the word confidence that he used that is i think the foundational sort of tenet of our partnership here we are here to together make sure that customers have the confidence on the rocky experience we're creating on google cloud and why that is so important for us is
google is because as customers know google does not have a first party operating system here our philosophy is to make sure that the operating systems that customers choose we provide a rock solid experience and confidence behind you know those operating systems now that said this is of course there is a big industry shift happening here with uh many customers looking for alternatives uh to send to us right now and we want to definitely make sure that uh you know the rocky experience is an extremely you know credible alternative for customers to choose and that is the you know the core vision shared between us and
ciq here and from a tactical perspective in terms of things to kind of look out for or the types of work that we'll be engaging with ciq team to launch to customers is we are of course announcing the support uh model today but in the coming months we will have much more to share about all the various things from product point of view that we're doing to ensure that streamlined experience is there for customers on google cloud this ranges from you know making tweaks if you will or fine tuning if you will to the operating system itself to all the other tools that one a
customer will need in order for them to easily migrate over to rocky and to ensure that their workloads and applications are running in a performance tuned and and a great way on on top of hockey so that is the kind of work we are undertaking and of course we also have a you know email ads rocky linux at google.com which we you know we urge customers to reach out to us to engage with us and talk to us so we can help shape this experience right hearing directly from customers so that's yeah that's my end uh adding a little bit on the you know the
shared vision between the two companies well that's great thank you danielle do you have anything to add um just that we've been working together for you know already a like a bit of time to get this partnership um up and running and it was very clear from the beginning how important the customer experience was and how thoughtful everybody was about you know the different ways that we were going to interact and make sure that that was um it just kept to like the highest standard possible so i'm very excited for our partnership together and um kind of took greg's point about giving back to the
community you know i yeah i think that this is a way that we can do that um and um yeah just very excited for our partnership overall very good thank you so danielle i will come back to you with the next question and from an end user experience or as a user of ucp we talk about customer experience what is the customer experience what are they getting out of this yes so what our users are getting this is um we're essentially offering the same support that we do for our first party products and for other os distros um so now customers that have a paid
support entitlement with google support can reach out to google with their issue and we'll do what needs to be done to you know help resolve the case um after they open a case with us so um that means that we'll you know we have ciq rockstar super rocky linux users that might help us on the back end but in the end google will be quarterbacking that customer case from beginning to end so our customers will know that if you know they'll have a person um to reach out to if there's any questions or um and and yeah we're very excited for that we've made sure
that the process is again as painless as possible we strive for an enterprise customer experience so um that's kind that's what customers should be expecting thank you greg listen to all of this uh and talking about a very specific version of rocky iv cloud is this in any way related to or does it have anything to do with the sig for cloud an issue that's happening within the rocky community right now yeah absolutely so uh what what zane is alluding to and um good thinking on that by the way what zane is alluding to is uh we have a sig cloud that we've spun up about a month month and a half ago um as i said time is just a complete like blur for me at this point um and just to correct something i said before i said 2019 december 2019 no no no it was uh 2020.
um i got a bunch of messages of how dumb i am uh so sorry about that everybody um but uh yeah so we started a sig cloud uh a few months ago i'm just going to be very abstract now instead of talking specific a few months ago and um the goal of this is to not only engage specifically with google here but to engage with all of the cloud providers and consumers and users of the different clouds to provide capabilities back into the community that would be optimal for all cloud experiences so obviously google is a big part of that but so are the other
clouds and we want that level of engagement and collaboration between the different organizations and again this is what brings a stable open source project into being and to maintain that is all of those different collaborations and people working together so we're super excited about that uh what we are going to be doing and now more specifically is we're going to be adding optimizations to rocky and these are going to be opt-in optimizations and uh with that we're basically going to be creating a first and foremost a google optimized version of rocky linux i keep shooting for the the acronym go rocky for for short on
the google optimize um we'll see if we'll see if google goes for that with time but um yeah go rocky uh the go rocky version will basically have cloud optimizations for google cloud those optimizations along with other optimizations for other clouds are all going to go into the sig cloud which is part of the rocky enterprise software foundation and will be available to not only all rocky linux users but all users of enterprise linux and all of the different variants of enterprise linux in that family of distributions so again huge huge amount of coolness and awesomeness all coming through the pipe and we're just super
excited about being able to bring this into the community uh and with our with our new partners google that's great it is very exciting guys i think we're getting close to the end of time and i want to open this up if there's anything else that you guys want to talk about specifically i'm just going to kind of go around and i'll start with robert because he seems to be the quietest again today so do anything you'd like to to close with on this yeah very simply i and venkat reiterated it earlier it's that confidence for customers to go put rocky into production on google
cloud that is what we're trying to do that was the ultimate goal and i think in execution of that danielle and her team have designed a a great model with you know the help of our team as well standing behind her to where at any level of need on google cloud you'll be taken care of when it comes to the operating system and running your application so we're super excited and uh we look forward to a lot of success stories thank you robert daniela do you have any final thoughts for us no just you know it was great chatting with everyone and we're super excited
and super excited to hear back from the community um about their thoughts so thanks for having having us thank you yeah no i i mean first of all i want to say a big thank you to the ci2 team um here it's been great working with the team right in creating the support model and all of the stuff that we're uh we're talking through here the second thing is um if especially you are a customer listening to this and you're still thinking through hey should i be running rocky on google cloud or not i'm hoping that we are putting sort of like that doubt to
rest uh we're here you know we got your back from a support point of view from product point of view etc and if there are certain things you know by way of optimizations or things that we could do better in terms of making sure that you can run this even more confidently please do reach out to us at rocky linux google.com are here to kind of hear you and make this experience even better as we go along thank you greg i'll give you almost the last word almost huh um i i just i just really wanted to just express my gratitude um the google team
that we've been working with vent daniela and everybody on your teams it's just been fantastic it's been a pleasure to work with you and it is so exciting after all of the you know many months ago i'm not putting a time on it because i'll get it wrong but the many months in terms of that we've been working together and bringing this into reality uh has just been super excited and it's just exciting it's just absolute pleasure to work with you uh so thank you thank you greg so again for everybody out there if you're looking for more information on this reach out to google
reach out to us live chat's always available there's a lot of information on the website it's an email to rockylinuxgoogle.com again we're here for you uh if you would go ahead and like and subscribe we would appreciate it and be able to keep in touch with you guys and i really want to thank daniella and venkat for spending the time thank you guys for coming we really appreciate it and looking forward to where we can go where we go next thank you very much guys welcome back everyone ben cat daniela good to see you again robert greg exciting day hello it's it's very weird to
to to watch a a webinar of myself and others well others it's great to watch them but it's weird to watch me absolutely absolutely i think we traded shirts by the way we did yeah i went with a different one i figured i figured that many days in a row i would start to i have issues i'm tmi yeah so i see that we have a couple questions thank you mr yarrow it's been a long time good to see you again uh john's asking about what are the differences between red hat so rel and rocky on gcp so i can i'll let you guys give
it a shot or you can answer that or i'll take it how do you want to approach that i guess i'll start with vancad yeah i can take a stab at it and we'll look to uh robert and break you kind of you know talk about the specific differences between the actual operating systems right red hat and rocky now as far as google cloud is concerned um our like you know i said in the webinar right our philosophy is to make sure that we create a great experience for you no matter your sort of operating system so of course if red hat is a choice
for you then that is very well supported on the platform today we have optimized images for red hat as you go on a p0 basis for your licensing of course you can bring your images on as well uh but uh if you're looking at you know rocky linux as an alternative to your centos usage or you know your general purpose applications that is what we are you know creating a great experience here with ciq team so from a google point of view we love all workloads we love all let's workloads and all general os workloads and we want to make sure that we continue to
kind of up the game employing great experience for customers across the different distributions uh customers have but i'll look to greg and robert to maybe you know talk about some of the final differences right between the two uh sort of distributions hopefully none [Laughter] [Music] at a high level view uh you know the goal of rocky is to be there you know there's bit for bit compatible and there's bug for bug compatible we aim for both of those so we're looking for api abi compatibility the is close to legally the exact same experience that you get on one enterprise linux version compared to another enterprise
linux version of a linux distribution that's our goal our goal is to see no differences between between red hat between rocky or or any of the other distributions within the enterprise linux family great thank you so john's got another question he's asking about how does rocky play with devops tools this is a pretty broad statement because i think there's a lot of different devops tools we can talk about but i think the ones that come to mind for me are really around configuration management and they play great with with rocky if it works with rel or the other rel variants it does really well i
think greg you probably have something to say about that as well yeah i i would basically just poke at the same point which is uh you know the the same exact tools that you're using for red hat um for you know any of your any of your enterprise linux family of distributions are going to work on on rocky in exactly the same way and if it doesn't pretty much that's a bug let us know it'll get fixed but everything that you're currently doing the goal of this is to have almost no transition um issues going from one to the next so just to have a
completely smooth compatible experience as you you know change from you know centosacentos has gone end of life to to rocky uh that's the goal so what you're currently doing on red hat what you're currently doing on centos uh it would be very surprising if any of it does not work in exactly the same way and if you find that it doesn't work in the same way let us know this is part of why this partnership is is so amazing uh you know let us know and and we will work on it and we will help you thank you so greg i know that you've received
this question this morning but i'll ask pink cat the question how does this change the freely available images that are out there for rocky on gcp it should it doesn't change anything in fact the you know i would say if folks are ready and want to try rocky today and want to use rocky on google cloud today the images are there you know and all we're doing today is making sure that for folks who use that if they have a support entitlement with google they can call google and get you know support that's what is actually changing it's an add-on on top of existing rock
images and and all the excuse me additional sort of like changes that we're making or optimizations we're making we're planning on launching those in the coming months and as and when we launch we'll make sure that there's a seamless transition right uh before customers who want to opt into those um sort of options as we uh kind of like you know create those optimizations and so on and so forth so by no means i want to kind of like say that hey wait for more things coming you know the images that are there today go and use them they're already like you know fine-tuned and
and built for great experience on google cloud i just add in real quick that this is a benefit for the community this is a you know i've kind of mentioned it you know on the on the recorded session of this but this is a huge benefit for the community to have multiple organizations again kind of stepping up to offer uh support offer services around rocky linux and to really ensure the success and the um the the wonderful experience uh turnkey experience uh of rocky linux so we are very excited about this so it's it's it's a it's a fantastic step in my mind for enterprise
level customers and consumers who really want to count on open source and community as that base foundation great thank you greg anyone else have something else they'd like to add to that if not i have another question all right so forrest actually brought up a really good point uh since we are really an hpc focused company can we talk about how this partnership will impact that kind of hpc computing when it comes to gcp i was gonna say who are you calling on zane robert's a great one for that one um so obviously we'll have optimizations that we'll be able to uh provide for that
specifically um that is obviously something that we're talking to ben cat and his team for down the road of further integrations and further optimizations and that will definitely be a big part of that i i think every customer probably cares about performance and every customer probably cares about being able to run their specific workloads up on gcp so we we have an aim to optimize any and all of those workloads never mind just hpc great thank you very much i don't see any more questions coming in would anybody like to just throw out some last thoughts here before we wrap it up then we're all
excited and really appreciate the time um can we talk a little bit about now this is completely um ad hoc so apologies can we talk a little bit about timeline and and when customers can expect to see uh certain capabilities kind of coming down and being available i think venkat is pulling up [Laughter] documents my roadmap of radius things uh you know uh i would say you know we're talking of like you know uh weeks to months you know from a time frame perspective in in starting to um to launch some of these optimizations we're talking about uh today we don't have anything specific to
announce on that but to say that any optimizations that we're sort of thinking through are going to be in close concert with what customers are telling us in fact i would in fact flip this back and say hey please reach out to us because we're actively sort of planning all these things optimizations and features and uh the first round of these i do expect uh they will start coming in the next few months and then it's definitely it's going to be uh rolling thunder right the work is not going to get done in a few months if this is a long-term sort of relationship and
commitment right between the two companies to kind of make sure we continuously hear and iterate on the experience from customers so a lot to expect here but i would say month weeks to months to current time period i i i'd also i'd also add to that that uh the the sig cloud is already in progress so if there is anyone out there that actually wants to join wants to help be part of this as i mentioned before many of the other clouds are already involved with this we do want to have more representation from enterprise consumers and customers as well as part of that uh
that that special interest group so please do uh join the matter most reach out to us contact us and and get involved uh we'd love to we'd love to have have more people involved more organizations and and input absolutely well guys i appreciate you coming back and joining us for this quick q a uh again really excited about the partnership and looking forward to see where we go next if you guys would look and like and subscribe we'd really appreciate you keeping in touch with us and we'll look forward to more announcements and stuff going on in the future with google thanks guys thank you
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