Bytes of Wisdom: An Interview with Michael Young

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several years now it's hard to believe that too time is flown by wait what does that mean how long have you been at ciq Michael I'm already over two years so this June will make three years wow yeah he was he was here before me by several months it's been around for a while yeah that's awesome gonna me start you're gonna start calling me the Oldtimer I think we already can right H there's there's others have been around longer than me so yeah there's not many though it's awesome you're welcome Michael it's good to talk to you thank you s here so I know we're

going to get into details but do you want to just kind of do a Hello and and tell the folks what you do at ciq and who you are sure sure uh so as you can already see on the screen I'm Michael Young and uh currently I am the it uh director of it here at ciq uh so that's just uh run a small Department shout out to my team uh have you know norm and jodine part of the team uh and then we have uh you know our uh VP Steve Moody too who's part of our team as well so uh yeah great team

that we have working together helping the company grow and as every department has new projects takes takes on new things they have to do or changes uh if they need it resource forces we're here to to help facilitate that it's fantastic so it's an internal it thing correct yeah yeah we you know when I first started as we were talking about uh I was more on the customer support side so working with the customers helping uh uh Solutions install uh Solutions at company sites but um as the company has grown had to change roles so yes now I'm focused more on internal uh it and

helping uh the different departments here he was also helping me give demos to customers used to do it all yep all whatever it took whatever was needed jump in there it's awesome okay so I this is like a side side note not necessarily what we were going to talk about but seeing that you have you you kind of started doing both right but you were like customer facing and internal some stuff and now you're like more focused just on internal stuff um is that is that is that awesome like is it easier to deal with with with us I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead just

answer this question the show is over no I'm just kidding uh no uh I think both like when you say easier um think every role has its own challenges but the enjoyable part is working with whether it's a customer or working with my fellow employees right our fellow teammates here um it's enjoyable getting to work with everyone understand what they do and then see what can we do to uh make your job easier right that's what we do here at ciq right we're trying to help others get their jobs done do what they need to do help them with their business needs uh their it

needs or whatever their needs are right um that's our job here at CQ for our customers but then also helping our own internal teammates um uh get that same you know uh resource that they need um so I think both are enjoyable to be honest with you okay well good it takes a special person to enjoy customer service so thank you and Michael does it well we appreciate it ah thank you maning group of people I mean you can see our internal slack you know it's like it I need this it what's going on it yeah yeah part of the job yeah yeah okay so

let's backtrack a little bit here so we've heard about a little bit about your like your early days with Tandy 1000 and basic programming right so can you take us back to those moments and share how like these things ignited your passion for for technology yeah so 101000 uh I actually the more I thought about like I think things started a little bit sooner than that but it wasn't necessarily centered around computers right it was more or less um one nice thing was my dad was into technology as far as what you know he had available when I say technology I'm thinking like just cameras

right cameras back then didn't they were not digital but uh he uh I remember at his camera store he was bringing home cam quarters back when cam quarters were were starting to be a thing uh that you could have a portable camcar and being able to mix shots from uh different tapes and create your final VHS of your whatever it was so I remember seeing that the connections of equipment coming home because he would need to learn that he would do uh training programs anyway so I sort of remember that vaguely not to dwell on that but that's where the T 1000 sort of comes

in because right next door to his camera store was a Radio Shack and I remember going in there sometimes as a kid with him and just being like wow all this electronic stuff um one day he brought home the Tandy 1000 to our home so that was our first home uh PC um and of course it's just you want to understand this thing this is new it's got a screen so uh just that's what I remember I remember uh playing games on it with him at night me and my brother uh games like king's quest space Quest those old Sierra games uh I remember him

upgrading it so we could get a whole 6 40 KB of memory uh and watching him do that you know so it was cool because you got to see uh open it up and see a little bit of of what's going on inside so those are sort of the memories I have I eventually inherited that machine uh and used it for uh doing school reports book reports we had our the old dot matrix printer so we could print it out and look all fancy at school you know because not not everybody had the printers at the time so but anyways I I remember that um

and then that eventually led to other computers right so we eventually got a 286 computer in the house I remember friend coming over and sharing some programs that he had with my dad and games and the B uh Q basic right I had to try to remember when I started looking into a basic a little bit more I think it was more around the 286 I think I had set at one time to Tandy but I think it was a 286 QB there was a game of gorillas right and and uh the point of it was you had two gorillas it was a two-player game

everybody took their turns and you had a banana and you needed to lob the banana and try to uh hit the other gorilla or knock I think it was the buildings would explode but you're were trying to get it to knock out the gorilla on the other side because they were exploding bananas you had to put in the speed the angle anyways that was written in Q basic and so when you started it up it was the editor you could see the code to run the game and that was intriguing to say wow just this is what creates that game that we like to play

so that's that's sort of what you know ignited that part of hey I want to find out more understand this more uh and then you know eventually we got a 486 didn't have a CD ROM kit so we added cdrom kit so we got that open it up see what's inside that's when we had our first encyclopedia on cdrom anyways I don't want to bore everyone with all those details but that's sort of the progression of wanting to understand how this works what makes it work a and um digging into uh understanding it better I mean I have more stories but I'm not gonna you

remember the hard drive size on the 46 cuz I found mine the other day I found the the first hard drive I had on a 486 machine do you remember how big it was yours I do not no I was super excited when I got this thing it was 800 Meg that was huge I was so excited anyway I think I think I remember running to a local computer store once and buying a hard drive to upgrade our space um it wasn't much it was maybe 60 G 60 no it wouldn't have been gigs back then but it was it was pretty pretty small a

lot money yeah exactly I think I spent maybe $100 which you know back then was quite a bit a lot yeah that's awesome so what what has it been Michael for you from the tinkering till today what are those Milestones that really drove you to get where you are today um so sort of like the whole journey of wanting to understand how things worked um part of that Journey was helping my dad too like even he was the one teaching me the technology in a sense how it worked from a basic uh user standpoint uh at a certain point I started helping him to do

things so um I remember those little things Milestones uh my first job out of well even before getting out of high school uh there was a local machine shop where my mom worked and uh would go over there and sometimes help them out with their under uh simple stuff you know simple technician it support type of help um but then eventually my first job out of high school was uh you know thankfully a friend of ours um he happened to notice uh I helped him with something on his computer and he was like you know what Mike you seem to have a a little bit

of a knack for this so he said ever what do you think about coming to work at my company back then it was big to rent computers especially for conferences so and being here near Boston uh there was conferences all the time coming in and so they would rent from my friend's company the computer equipment that they needed to demo their software show videos whatever it was they needed because laptops were expensive back then so a lot we even had folks that would rent laptops from us to go on a business trip so um he he offer me a job so that's sort of where

I got started and they started teaching me uh different things uh eventually I was able to use some some of the things that because because it was a hobby to not a hobby but it was a passion for me right right so it wasn't just work when I was home I was learning how do I do this how do I do that I could then come back to work and say Hey you know I think we could do this a little bit more efficient and then uh he gave me the r the the ability to do that and improved even our our processes when it

came to checking in that rented equipment where it would take us a good you know hour or two to check it in down to 15 minutes we were able to get it down so um that's a milestone right um out of high school being able to to do the work with what you really enjoyed doing um eventually he sold a company I went worked for Circuit City for a little bit as a computer technician um again same same thing normally they would hire someone that's got their certifications um they actually had me come in and said we're going to give you a test see if

you really know your stuff and so they had their top technician test me out on different things that they see there I don't know if people here remember Circuit City I do yeah I remember the catalog man I looked forward to the catalog yep exactly so they tested me out gave me an opportunity to be a PC technician because I said okay uh we'll help you get your certifications so um anyways I don't want to go through my whole resume but but those those are things that stand out being given opportunities to demonstrate what I knew and demonstrate what I enjoyed doing right so um

fast forward my job prior to ciq uh again it was opportunities came up I was doing volunteer work so I wasn't necessarily doing it stuff uh I had lost my it job so I picked up a job temporarily um just to you know make it through till I could find another and at that job is where they were having it issues and so I helped out one day when the boss wasn't around and he heard about it and he was like Mike you know something about it yeah like it's on my application so he started throwing little things out at me and that's just that

from there it blossomed into where um worked my way up at that same company to where I became the the VP of it there um and just watched the company grow as well right so we went from having uh machines there at the office servers at the office to being in a data center um collocated in a data center to having two data centers we were Co colloca in so anyways it's just you know it's it's been some years so but um those are kind of like Milestones there um not even touching the open source side right but and you had it all then because

you were touching phone systems networking servers data center T all of it yeah they had old Ava uh phone system that at some point uh I was able to get us off of that uh system all to a fully open source PBX um you know so we built our own uh PBX was able to get everyone off of those phones the old phone system onto the PBX the open source PBX all IP based instead of the old analog based digitalanalog based phone system so yeah you're right I was I was touching every every piece there at the company it's fantastic so tell us a little

bit more about your relationship with open source and open source projects and maybe a couple of the I mean you kind of already touched on one but maybe a couple of the other you know open source projects that you've been a part of that are special to you yeah I was trying not to jump ahead we we're in a good flow you're good yep exactly um yeah so one of the things that helped when you're a smaller company right you're doing everything on a Sho string budget so you're looking for ways that okay the company has this need but it has a limited amount of

of resources right so um that's where where uh I'd already been looking at operating systems open- Source operating systems uh and I actually was given a computer at that job saying hey my friend says we might be able to use this computer can we set up a file server here in the office get off of our old they had a Windows NT uh machine they were using as their file share um and so you know there was even was it Windows NT I forget there was some limitations involved on that machine maybe it was not even a lot limitations of Windows and those were those

were the days Michael yeah yep so he was like can we create our you know file server so um yeah so I took that system and Samba was what I set up and moved all our data over to it great that's that solved that problem right um then it was okay we're having issues with a database server because they were using uh Microsoft Access and having the whole office access that one um file and that's that doesn't work very well so crashing a lot so I said you know what I think we can fix this we went to my SQL right so set that up

moved everyone over still used access for the forms but the back end now was uh MySQL so um that sort of was where things started progressing eventually it was okay we're paying for this web hosting site but we want to add to it we want our customers to be able to connect and download their digital recordings can we do something there Mike now it's now you're introducing Apache web server and uh you know so things just started snowballing from there um so as far as like projects I hope I didn't go off track here on the question no you're good you're good so that's where

kind of Open Source started to be introduced um yeah so um so from you mentioned several different open source projects that you've worked with over time so obviously you were drawn to those projects for for some reason open source being something you like to learn you can learn from open source you can see the code and play with it but something in there had to have have been a rewarding experience to make you continue to do it and then how did that lead you to ciq remember that Q basic program with the gorilla game being able to see go in there and kind of mess

around with it a little bit see what happens um that sort of occurred I want to say where I started contributing back because you know up to that point I was consuming all the work that everyone was doing I was like I need to contribute back I need to do something back right um it's helping me I need to help back so uh one of those projects I started where I really became part of the community or felt part of the community was um had to do with the the open source PBX uh called Asis and there it just started out with simple helping people

out right answering first I was asking questions and then I was actually helping others out with their questions to where okay this is not working for me this is crashing um I need to fix this let me see if I can go in there and and fix this right so um I had some experience already with C coding and so I said uh let me see just let me experiment what what do I have to lose right and so I was able to go into the source code and uh I was able to start putting in some simple fixes fixes that were benefiting me but

then contributing it back up stream to the to the project and what a good feeling when your first you know patch is added into the code base it's like wow that that's so awesome and so then you want to do more you're like okay I want to do more the dopamine hit yeah and and you start doing very very small very small simple patches but then you go okay now I'm gonna do bigger bigger until where you realize you've contributed um some some signif you know sometimes it's very small but sometimes it's very significant um parts and it was mainly the astris project is where

I did a lot of those um commit changes what I forget if it was version 12 or 13 uh I I not as much as others right so I don't want to say I did a lot but um that was a significant amount of time I put into that one um there was even an old bug I just remembered there was an old bug in the code that had been there for for a while on the issue tracker and I remember spending some nights trying to figure it out finally was able to figure it out and contribute it back and yeah it was like that

that was a point when some of the developers on the project were like hey you figured that out so um they started trusting me a little bit more with more changes so um that's that's the one project that kind of stands out to me very nice I would love um our behind the scenes beautiful people to take that and make that a short so that we can put it places because seriously people there there's like there's an intimidation factor in the open source Community right like some sometimes I mean depending on the project there it's it's really big they're not really sure how to do

it what to do you kind of got to learn all the different things and it can be very overwhelming so just that little way that you described it of how you kind of like dip your toe in you check out what has already been identified as a bug you can dive into the code and kind of figure it out um and then contribute it back and then that's how you begin to get noticed like a lot of people ask me exactly that like how do I get involved how do I help like how do I get my my my face known I'm good and I

want to do it cool show us you know get in there so specifically ciq has several open source projects that we you know provide additional value on top of in Terms of customization Andor support and and different things like that um so specifically Rocky Linux aper werewolf Ascender those are all projects that we are very intimately familiar with among others but those are the ones that that are really a top of mind for us so anytime that any of you guys out there can get into that code and check out what's going on and things that have already been identified like that's a great way

to get involved definitely good point definitely that's uh you are you hit it right on the head it is intim ating at first um but once you I every contribution in an open source project is very valuable and sometimes you feel like oh that's nothing it's insignificant no it helps it helps somebody um so every contribution whether you start out small with asking asking question or helping answer questions eventually then snowball falls into bigger things that you can help out with um and and don't be afraid um I'm guilty of it being afraid to jump in um but that helped me that experience helped me

for instance with um uh I I helped out a little bit with werewolf when I first started here right with uh going through to codebase making some contributions here and there where I could because um again it was okay this is a great product I love it right and I want to help fix the little things that that I'm finding to be kind of quirky let me see if I can go in there because it's going to help someone else down the road so um definitely good point how did you get from all of that how did you get to ciq again this whole journey

right open source uh I was using sentos you know um at the company uh art infrastructure everything behind scenes running on sentos um Asis was primarily targeting sentos uh so the announcement that was made shifted I I was in the process of starting to plan out moving to eight in the company and I was like okay what am I gonna do now and so that's where you know trying to figure out okay what's going on what what going on in the community right and that's where okay you had Elma you had Rocky Linux so I started checking out the two different communities and I landed

on on the rocky community and and seeing what I joined the slack yeah joined up on slack see what's going on joined immediately the development channel to hear the chatter what's going on and that's where um you know started again not being afraid to jump in and say where can I help because I've already was at my prior job because of security and compliance not having development tools on the production servers I had already started doing uh uh packaging RPM packaging and that's how I was Distributing using ansible Distributing and installing uh software and updates on my servers instead of the good old days of

download the source code compile it right there and I'm good to go so I thought okay we're trying to figure out how build Rocky right from the from the source code that's available so I said let me get my shot I was watching what they're working on let me give it a shot I'd go over see if I could figure it out start saying hey did you guys see this did you guys see that and so I started working with skip so you know uh skip Neil Lewis they were all in there Mustafa they were all in there so um started doing what I could

stay up some evenings after work okay we're going to figure this out skip would put together a list of what he was figuring out we tackle I sometimes start at the bottom of list he start at the top we start trying to figure out how do we build these packages what's missing what are the dependencies that are missing um so that's that's how I got into Rocky now to answer your question about ciq is uh Greg is also in there Greg curtz are our CEO he's also in there right um ciq was starting to grow the customer support department and so Greg is looking for

potential candidates on LinkedIn and he came across my LinkedIn account and I had it marked at the time interested in in Opportunities or can't think of the exact to work yeah open to work right yeah so um he immediately through the rocket community's mattermost said hey is it true you're looking yes I am he's like well well it's funny thing is I you popped up and I said I know this guy and uh and he said so that's where things started as far as uh applying and coming over to ciq I think there's several lessons in that just being involved you never know who sees

it and what opportunities G to come from it I mean that's that's really cool yeah definitely yeah yeah Noti be helpful yeah yeah I was again I'm not you know uh thank you for everybody that that that's contributed to open source right but I don't want to just be a taker I want to also give back something so yeah just jumping in there and then you make connections get to know some really good guys you know good people and um from there you know other opportunities come along so that kind of brings up a point of Chaos right so it's a bit chaotic right like

the open source you got all of your projects you've got all the different ways that things come together you're the director of it right there's lots of different tasks and things and and and people and initiatives and priorities that you kind of got to keep organized somehow so how do you do that give us a a tip on how you stay productive well I think it's a constant battle Yeah I still haven't figured it out 100% just when you think you have things under control something throws you off um the main thing that I try to do is take deep breaths you know and just

go okay I got to tackle things one at a time figure out what's everything's a priority right but which is a higher priority everything is a priority that's Fair exactly and try to just communicate you know one thing I'm trying to get better at myself is when do you need this buy oh I don't I don't need it to because a lot of times I'm not told that and it sounds like I need it now and you go do you need it now or can we you most of the time I don't say it that way but most of the time uh if you say

when you need it by you're given a date that's a little way out okay so then you put that on your list okay we'll get to this by this time frame so it's just I think just trying to prioritize uh things properly helps to keep things under under control and not get overwhelmed because when you start looking at all the work to get done if you focus on that you're just gonna get overwhelmed and get kind of paralyzed so yeah take no nobody can just now say everything I need it right now no just pre he gave but that's really powerful because I mean that

goes into like relationships with all human beings across everywhere right like the spirit of curiosity and just asking for clarity like sometimes we assume just because somebody says with an intense intense Voice or they're on slack and you're you know perceiving it as intense that you don't actually know what the you know what kind of priority or timeline that they're on so just asking asking it's like the gems of Life are so simple be helpful ask questions it's okay yep communication my my wife voice says the majority of the problems are communication problems it's true yeah it's very true so Michael let's talk about downtime

so outside of work and outside of the chaos of taking care of us what do you do outside of tech what are your favorite hobbies what do you do downwind so outside so this is something I I have my wife to thank me for I mean I have to thank my wife for I should say I said in reverse thank her for uh she always reminds me hey you need to disconnect you need to step away so favorite things outside of work is well when we have the opportunity to take trips right sometimes it's a quick weekend thing um over Thanksgiving we went up to

Canada right so quick trip there um um December we took a quick weekend trip to New York see some friends uh in the past we've traveled to other countries so that's something that um has been very enjoyable especially after the pandemic and being cooped up in the house it's been nice to to go see new things um uh one of the Hobbies I would like to get back into is photography I was starting to do more with photography um I have a bunch of shots that I need to go through and you know get rid of the ones I don't want to keep but um

I did find that very enjoyable because it's a challenge to you know try to get the right shot tell the story from what I'm seeing and trying to capture it on on the camera uh so I I think that's something I enjoy uh my son go play basketball uh we haven't done that lately but was something we were doing uh at one point with a bunch of friends of ours so get out uh he's 14 me too I have a 14year old boy that plays basketball that is some that is an very interesting age yep yeah he's now into uh going to gym so uh

I was doing I was doing that a little bit with him um until there was a lot of stuff going on the last couple months but before before that I was doing doing that with him in the evenings go go to the gym so um very cool so yeah so uh that's some of the activities outside of work besides home projects I don't know I find them enjoyable because it's a break from the screen so so like build building things or I just like variety of stuff like I I'm like what have you been to what do your son like to eat what projects are

you making like I want to know it all yeah yeah we've done some home projects here um I'm not the fastest at them because I squeeze them in but I enjoy them because again it's something to take my mind off of things and kind of a de-stressor um so we've been doing stuff like uh the latest project I'm working on is our floor um hardwood floors in our house so um well I imagine that's not really something you want to take your time on frankly I don't know if you're wife would agree in taking the time on that yeah let's see if she doesn't come

popping in here she'll be on the same page with you she she's being very very super patient right now oh that's awesome that is beautiful yes I I I I know what it's like to have a floor that is undone there was a time that we thought it would be a good idea to take all the flooring out completely and then paint the cement MH that was not a good idea no idea what we were doing like chunky and wavy and like kind of weird but in theory in theory it was nice exactly it was a good idea exactly okay so tell us a little

bit about the things that you like to listen to like podcasts and and YouTubes like anything that you recommend that has been inspiring to you in your work so I always tried to stay up on the latest right know what's coming down down the road um the latest uh I got to say one of the I enjoy listening to in the morning it's a kind of a quick news but he goes in a little bit of detail um I don't it's uh now I'm drawing a blank right cyber SEC it has to do with cyber security So lately I've been keeping up a lot on

cyber security topics um so usually he it's part of my daily listen to the news what's going on um so that's one of things he's uh based out of Canada he goes over uh the latest cyber security but it's not just oh the headlines he actually digs into it and here are some tips here are things they could have saved themselves this headache if they had been doing this and this and this and type of stuff so um I meant to write it down and look it up I'm drawing up easy to do it auto autol loads to podcast you don't have to pay attention

to it you just know it's just go click on it yeah yeah I also feel like you're forecasting a little bit or foreshadowing some maybe some things that are coming from ciq in terms of security so stay tuned for that yep and then um as far as YouTube is concerned um uh I do like to listen to uh first just Kidd well ciq of course yes that's on the up um then there's you know folks such as Tom Lawrence I like to listen to him uh he usually is is very informative um and goes into details so that's that's another Channel I'm subscribed to besides

c um so as far as uh that was a question right podcasts YouTube yeah exactly yeah it's cool thanks for sharing that so outside of YouTube and things of that nature what is a gadget what's your go-to Gadget you can't live without it got to have it you know it's changed over the years I was trying to give that some thought if anything okay when I go to travel I always bring a ethernet cable I don't know why it's just yeah network cable I mean I know what it is I did right up until it stopped being my laptop and now I don't but I

still have a nice huge box full of them yeah I think it was just scars from traveling in the pastx Wii you need to connect right in back in the day you know it was well anyways that's going way back but uh yeah so just carrying around cable uh sometimes I would carry a crossover cable so if I need to connect to another computer I could do that without any switches or anything in there I was turning to look at my drawer to see if I I still had my crossover cable and my it ended up being USB to serial connector so that you could

actually get in a at that point in time a Solaris box but I have had it in this drawer and I recently cleaned it out for a long time yeah and that's the thing I was thinking like I haven't needed these things for a while um I think of all tools right now it's become the phone the phone because yeah I find that even if I'm trying to help somebody on their machine or uh look up information you can download a drivers uh transfer it to a that was the other thing I was thinking of maybe a flash drive um maybe an external even an

external portable drive just so that if I need to download something I can transfer it um if the machine I'm working with is not connected to any network connectivity um but uh I gu said probably phone nowadays this so versatile they do everything yeah yeah and phone charger yeah oh yeah don't leave home without that talk about the Chargers seriously and you have a teenager so you know what I'm talking about they do not go anywhere without a charger man nope nope not at all everywhere they go do you have a charger do you have a charger they the in the car right yep connect

it right there that's awesome okay so let's get back to open source projects if you had to pick a favorite open source project you don't have to pick one of ours but right um which one would it be and why does it resonate with you I've already talked about it PBS um the Asis one um just because I've I've used I even have it here at my house still running my phone system here at the home very cool um so that one uh I've even run it up in the cloud right um in the past so uh besides that um I gu say recent open

source stuff besides you know of course Rocky Linux is my favorite OS but uh I really got into uh werewolf werewolf uh obtainer um I was really enjoying using that as well uh provide some solutions and uh even solve some stuff just to do stuff that I needed to get done but um I say I would say a recent projects those um so you did you you there was like a a little hint of some ansible have you played around with the sender yet you know I've looked at it and yes that is on my list to start playing with it um definitely uh in

fact I have plans to try to get that you know yeah yes I'm definitely ansible is the reason why I brought up anible is I was using anible at my last job all the time I love that thing so that's probably one of my tool toolkit things that I I would need nowadays uh is answerable so um a sender uh definitely is on my list I have started to look at it I've started to look at the the installer there was something that we were help we had a there was something recently ah for AWS we helped set up an environment so that one of

our essay's could install a sender on it so definitely I have in that sense worked with a sender but not directly with the installer um yet but it's definitely up there I've been looking at it the last two weeks so I'm not doing this just because we're on the webinar coming soon yeah I mean so like the the Ascender and the way that we've built it makes the installation a lot easier but like do you have a frame of reference like have you did did you ever try to install um what is it awx or anything like that before and like um no I never

never used awx sometimes the old school guy I'm at the command line yeah so download download from git run it right from my virtual machine on my laptop but that's for smaller environment smaller right but times have changed and Center is definitely you know something that you can't ignore you definitely is becoming one of those things you need um within your organization keeps you from having unchecked Automation in your in your environment and Enterprise yep can get out of control scary very fast the the compliance part yeah alone right that's where Ledger comes in right to know abut so it's definitely uh something that is

crucial nowadays um because you're going to be asked how do you know that you're up to date how do you know that you've applied this or that how do you know that configuration is the way you left it and security talking about security they're gonna want to they're gonna want to see it exactly yeah so Michael one last question we go if you could go back in time and tell your younger self one piece of advice just one what would you tell yourself it's tough you just say one it's tough and I I've given that a lot of thought and I keep going back and

forth you said just one that's why it's like all right maybe two maybe two yeah um n just one would be the main thing that I think I would tell my younger self is uh don't overstress it's important to take things seriously but don't when things don't quite work out it's okay it's a learning experience there is usually always a solution might not be the original solution but they're you know I'm thinking it right the it side um okay that didn't work we'll find another way around it um don't get yourself worked up and stressed out about it so I don't know that's just one

of the first things that came to my mind you know just keep learning keep trying to grab what you can because you don't know technology changes so fast you don't know which way okay this is where I was going today but I need to be able to Pivot and go this direction because that's where everything's going I remind when you said that Michael about don't stress out when I first started Consulting in the Doom space I was freaking out cuz we had a weite that was down and my manager that I didn't know very well hadn't been there very long walked in he's like why

are you so stressed I like let's down he's like dude we're not saving lives it's just a website chill out like it's great he's right so exactly you take it personal it's like but I'm responsible for this yes and it's like okay you'll fix it one thing I appreciate from my prior boss he was he was you know when when something was going on okay when you what do you need when you think you'll be ready by okay I know you'll fix it and then you go away and then he would go away well not go away suppos to mean Rose feel like that was

personal Zane take note feel like that was personal wow uh oh what am I doing cing trouble here oh man Michael Young what an absolute Joy pleasure to hang out with you I hope that I get to see you in person at some point maybe at some conference or some you know company thing that we're doing or whatever that's always nice but yeah that would be awesome no thank you for the invite yeah yeah it was awesome thank you very much so oh sorry no always great to see you Michael appreciate you y same here pleasure so make sure that you guys like And subscribe

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