Ask Me Anything (AMA) with CIQ

interesting characters look at this crew Dave I haven't seen you in a long time I feel like it's been way too long it has been too long Zayn what is up man how are you good how are you doing well Forest how are you live a dream I know what you're doing kind of a little louder we'll skip you Michael as you take a drink welcome I was gonna say uh hello and that made me think Zane of The Truman Show in case I don't see you good afternoon good evening and good night I think it's it's how it went now that you say that

that's probably exactly where I stole it from thank you for finally putting putting that in place one of the best ones of all time but good afternoon are terrifying one of the two Greg welcome Hey there how's it going characters they're Fellers and fellets how's everybody doing good Forest can we hear you now I've got a generator going on in the background too so that means the mystery place oh now he's gonna go turn it off watch it nope nope I thought that was not usually on my zoom calls I'm told people can't hear that in the background the noise cancellation works well enough can

you guys hear me now or is it still low we can hear you just speak loud it'll be good I will uh I will labor to fix it give me a little bit whatever doesn't matter now you know you get the idea in his mind he's go he's going to fix it I know I I feel like this is one of those since it's an ask me anything things we almost have to ask Forest why like why are you what's he doing all right yeah he's figuring it out so since we we want people to ask questions and nobody's posted one yet so I guess

we'll start asking our own questions and I I feel like we've been over this I know I've been over this with Dave and Forrest before but I don't know Greg if I've ever asked you why are you excited is real careful mustache is real but I think I I would like to know why are you at ciq well right ciq that's an interesting question um one is they told me they would pay me if I came here so that wasn't important really yeah I mean I am waiting to see the checks um uh they gave me a whole suitcase of ious so you might want

to hang on to that one though yeah there we go uh let's see uh no why did I come over here uh well one uh well I don't know it's hard for me to kind of I'm not going to put them in order no no certain order one is there's a lot of terrific people over there uh ones that I know I've worked with for a really long time and honestly trust and to me if they are at a place and they say it's good I I can feel comfortable about it and that's like an important one for me as like safety and like knowing

that I'm going to be working with good people I think everybody in their life has worked with people that are a little bit less good or maybe more difficult and the team of folks here as I like to call them the uh the Lemmings they all seem to follow each other from one place to the other and I desperately have become a living and so I'm happy to follow everybody along but really honestly the way ciq does business differently was super attractive so twofold I've worn a lot of hats in my life and I continue to wear hats it's you know it's towel you know

how you get through life I guess but one of the things is support like you guys sort of reimagined what socaport can look like and uh generally that you know support is a four-letter word for most people it's not something you want to have to deal with it's generally uh your last-ditch effort like if I'm going to get support on the line that means I have exhausted every other thing and here people don't feel that way like we make it an environment where you don't have to feel that way like I have to desperately try and figure it out before I slog through going so

to me that was a huge one right because if you've been in I.T long enough you you feel that pain um two is I've been a manager like I was even VP of technology for a data center group at one point and I had to deal with a lot of contracts and a lot of vendors and that was the least interesting part of my job and so one of the the things that ciq does is they get rid of like having to count nodes and keep track of all this it's like I don't have to do that anymore and so to me it's like it's

kind of revolutionized both sides whether you're an individual contributor right with support or you're kind of on the management side and I don't have to deal with all the the annoying like contract keeping count of things oh my God we're three months out I got to start doing all this stuff all over again it's like all that's gone and so I am just happy to make people's lives better in that regard it's awesome thank you appreciate it yeah for sure so I'm glad David Rush thank you and welcome back if you don't mind tossing that one up there but I think this is a great

question and I'm gonna I'm gonna let Dr godlove answer this one first what are your day-to-day responsibilities good question yeah I don't know no no no I think that's a great question um so I like to thank um so we have a lot of not we have a fair amount um I kind of I think the right amount of autonomy as Solutions Architects at ciq um I I kind of like to take our our day-to-day tasks and I sort of divide them by like top down versus bottom up so what are we getting like externally from others that we need to do that you know

um we have to you know jump in and fill a gap versus what are the things that we're interested in and we think will help to drive some Innovation forward you know at the company and what do we want to work on and what kind of ideas do we have so those are the different types of tasks broadly speaking so um you know and then I I jot it down uh I saw the question come in and I jotted down a few quick notes that I wouldn't just like you know go off on a tangent because sometimes I do that but like I I think

that one of our main responsibilities is that we are considered or I consider myself one of the first users one of the first like maybe not even beta testers but Alpha testers of ciq products so we get the products we you know run them through the paces we see what we what we would like to do with them and if we can do that um in doing that we kind of close a loop uh with product development then and kind of say well you know this is really cool but what I'd really like to do as a as a user is X Y and Z

and I think our users would want to do that too and so we go back and kind of give suggestions back to uh the development and then we also do to some extent like a little bit of kind of light QA work so we'll identify bugs um you know run things through through kind of you know paces and things and see uh what kinds of issues there are and then go back and and you know work with the developers along those another big thing that we do is a lot of training and education uh Outreach that kind of stuff I mean we do stuff like

this um which is part of that uh I personally also do a lot of both on-site and remote uh training that tends to be mostly apptainer and a little bit of fuzzball training because of my expertise but you know other folks might be training on other stuff as well and we also I mean kind of one of the big things that we do too as far as like I mean it's our title Solutions architect is that we find innovative solutions so I think a big part of our job is to kind of like look at you know we draw upon so all of us on

the solutions architect team pretty much have some kind of a high performance Computing background or a cloud development background and we draw on that and we look at all the products that we're developing and we say okay well wouldn't it be cool if we could take and combine these in you know this kind of a different way and do this or I know that users in my field have this kind of a need can I you know adapt the products that we currently have to fill that need and if not what you know what needs to be developed in order to do that so we

sort of we're you know we're architecting Solutions as Solutions architect and we really draw on our perspective our perspective as you know past HPC and uh Cloud developers to be able to do that so that's hopefully I didn't rant too much and I kept it kind of focused no that's good that's good I think you covered a lot but Forest what do you do that maybe different than Dave is the mic working now it is working oh but it's all good all right super cool um I honestly could not add a tundra but Dave said there that was a pretty good description of what we

do on the day-to-day like I said we kind of take the toolbox of products that ciq puts together and work with kind of all the teams involved between product engineering and the customers to make sure that the use cases coming in or aligning with the direction of the product and uh that um customers overall able to get in the end what they're liaising with ciq for in the first place uh one thing I would also add is that we do uh pretty frequently end up out of conferences for different types of things giving talks and stuff like that as well so I know I think

Dave noded trainings and stuff like that but pretty frequently we end up out um SC different places like that uh given talks and kind of you know boothing that type of thing so and writing blogs yeah yes we do a lot of that as well the uh we tend to take kind of the uh experiences that we have in designing Solutions like containerizing certain softwares building out certain kind of Novel um different uh like new ways of looking at things like MPI and some of these you know classical tools of HPC stuff like that um oh and just to mention uh SC is super Computing

which is the biggest uh us-based I think they have an international one as well but it's in the context as uh we've gone to it here it's the largest US based supercomputing conference that they have every year so but yes blogs stuff like that um you'll probably see uh Dave Jonathan Brian Yoshi and I on the uh uh uh let's see I keep blog pretty frequently like I said as we kind of publish our findings with uh kind of both ciq Solutions and kind of the broader Spears of Open Source software containers HPC data center Tech that type of stuff thank you Forrest yeah I

see you guys not only in the ciq stuff but actually in the open source so obtainer werewolf we appreciate it thank you guys very much so there are several other questions coming in these are kind of fun if you want to throw up the next one what's your favorite ice cream Rose and why is it not mint chocolate chip uh well it's definitely Oreo cookie because I am not insane that's all Dave you don't like sweets I know but come on yeah I'm honestly not that big on ice cream um yeah I don't know I mean maybe like maybe like a a really good kind

of vanilla bean vanilla because you could make a um a uh what do you call it a root beer float with it or you can put it on some apple pie and that's you know helps that out but yeah just ice cream by itself I don't know I'll eat it but it's not my favorite a root beer float you know when I lived in um Australia I remember I I walked into a coffee shop and I ordered a mocha and it came with a giant scoop of vanilla bean ice cream in my mocha and I was like this is so wrong on so many levels

and yet it's so right I was gonna say it was a really that wrong it sounds really good yeah yeah I like I like how you slipped in that humble brag there uh yeah claims to fame I lived here Greg how about you what's your favorite ice cream I I like to not relegate myself to favor it's kind of been anything in life to me like like somebody says what's your favorite movie I was like it's Gonna Change hello there's only one answer no no from time to time things change right and so depends on the season what mood I'm in what I maybe just

ate so I'm a very open-minded person I like to try all kinds of stuff so if you try to match your ice cream with the actual meal are you not necessarily but I mean I'd like uh I like uh mint chocolate uh I think that is good there I've had one where it's like Oreos like mint Oreos inside of mint ice cream that's really good I like vanilla bean as per uh Dave there I like a good Neapolitan I like a sherbet I like an ice cream cake I like cake in shakes like generally I like all sorts all flavors just like I like people

I like everybody yeah it's fantastic why why pictures one oh I picked this one true Michael I know you follow that but I realize well first of all the right answer is Shawshank Redemption for best film of all time in it so but I have so my favorite ice cream is memory related uh whenever I would go to Texas to visit my grandparents we always got Blue Bell vanilla ice cream my grandmother always had in the freezer and that's my answer every time Oh I thought it was going to be like uh like a medicinal ice cream that helps your memory or something okay there

is not sold in Illinois it's only sold in some Southern States so whenever you go to Texas at first place we would go to if it was not already in the freezer there's only one Walmart in all of Silver Springs Texas and we would go there and get tubs of BlueBell ice cream so that's my answer well if you want something fantastic super Texas the Dr Pepper museums in Waco Texas where I grew up and you get there and you get Blue Bell ice cream vanilla and they'll take the syrup and they'll just squirt the Dr Pepper syrup right on it they call it a

Dr Pepper sundae it is amazing yeah Zayn that sounds like you're heaven oh it is that's why I went to Baylor so I can be in Waco and the Dr Pepper hour three times a day ten two and four it's on the bottle okay now it makes sense Your Love of Dr Pepper it's all coming together now exactly Forest ice cream what's your favorite do you have any with you I don't at the moment here I uh I've been away from Frozen stores for a little while and in general my uh my freezer was a bit packed with uh all my provisions and stuff at

the moment but if I were to have ice cream in my freezer here I would have one of those uh Haagen-Dazs middle of Swiss almond little tub that's usually what I find myself reaching for if I'm looking for ice cream I too am a big mint chip fan and uh uh Dr Pepper has got to be like my favorite soda as well when I do drink soda which is rarely but um Dr Pepper Sunday I'm like that's uh next time I'm in Texas I'm gonna have to make a trip down there that sounds great we will find you one absolutely all right Zayn you too

it's tough for me so I grew up in Texas so Bluebell has always kind of been The Benchmark but I gotta say tell them up takes it it's better I know that's hard to say but it is and mint chocolate chip and then the black cherry is it's amazing it's hard to beat [Laughter] my favorite the answer is because I'm not on the webinar perhaps God love needs to try some lemon sorbet okay maybe I do sorbet just sounds kind of not good right now I'm going to be getting a lot of ice cream suggestions probably now you know you are we're gonna show up

in every forum is a hot dog I think Jimmy would argue that that's a corn dog he believes everything is a corn dog so you just have that conversation with him what did Jimmy says oh he's saying they wish they would still sell the syrup by itself I thought they did no they quit corporate got on to him that's because Snapple bottom in it what are the most active oh where are you most active in Upstream sorry I'm reading ahead of ahead of time Jonathan's asking where are you the most active Dave I know your answer but I'm gonna let you answer anyway in an

upstream or open source where are you most active yeah in the obtainer community that's where I'm definitely most active and I'm I'm uh hanging around on um GitHub and in slack and just trying to answer questions recently within the past week or two I've been a lot of questions on um GPU related kind of stuff been seeing some Rock'em uh AMD GPU related questions recently so maybe that's starting to tick up a little bit that usage um so uh yeah maybe that's a maybe that's an Insider stock tip I don't know the discussion is coming up a lot I hear a lot about Rock'em in

the last month yeah uh yeah that's but I mean that's like you said that should be no surprise that's where I hang out as the app Tanner community and try to answer questions and do stuffs and create amazing documentation so that people like me can go actually accomplish something I gotta update some of that documentation actually there's some stuff that is missing and so I gotta carve out some time to update some stuff it's a never a new version getting close we had um so the 1.2.0 uh version of apptainer came out fairly recently but we're already on oh man 1.2.2 I think so yeah

it's uh new versions come out pretty pretty quickly but yeah there's been some there's been some changes excuse me and I I found some emissions in the documentation and um you know one thing I've been talking to people a lot about recently is just like software supply chain and um trying to Advocate the people uh you know when it makes sense for them to do so use oras to you know the uh oci registry as storage protocol to push native Sif files up to places like Docker Hub and then use things like signing and verification of Sif files and I've noticed you know I'm kind

of showing people a lot that you can use oras as a bootstrap agent in your bootstrap definition in your definition files rather um and when you do that one of the keywords is fingerprints and that's there that's like uh an undocumented feature I guess because it's not in the documentation right now it's documented that you can do that when you pull from like a native you know Sif uh library but not when you use oras and you pull from an oci registry so there's stuff like that that's like just been I keep looking at it I keep being like man I need some time to

go over there and you know make some PRS and improve some documentation now that I've made that public I'm going to be getting yelled at if contemplation doesn't go of course you are and task created I'm going to be getting yellow I'm already getting yelled at by people about how I don't like ice cream and that's a character flaw and uh now I'm getting yelled at because I'm going to be getting yelled out because the documentation is not up to date just eat ice cream I do documentation there you go two birds one stone or choose an ice cream you don't have access to on

a regular basis there you go there you go Greg what community are you are you involved in uh me I do a lot of stuff with ansible and assembler um but for me like I'm not a I'm not a programmer I did computer science in college and if you ever saw any of the stuff I've written you would say he's please get him away from any keyboard available but um my contributions are through education so I do a lot of enablement a lot of Education I put a lot of stuff and believe it or not there's going to be something coming out that is extremely

education heavy on ansible and assembler uh in the very near future that's going to be hitting our website so I've been diligently working on all that stuff so trying to teach the teach the masses to me that's one of the huge give backs and something I heard a friend of mine Nick kind of turned me on to this little cast and the guy was talking about how um you know a lot of times we don't share the things we know because we surround ourselves with like these really smart people and they already know all this stuff right like what am I going to teach Forester

Dave right it's like it's not going to happen but then you remember there's all these people behind you following the same path and if you share your knowledge you help teach it's going to just bring all those people up along with you so I'm a big proponent of um uh education Greg did I hear you correctly did you say assembler oh a cinder a cinder I'm sorry like when my start talking fast it's all uh jumbled dude that was awesome like [Laughter] my brain will start processing so fast that I'll start uh making Portman toes out of words as they come out of my mouth

yeah I can't help that you're just going back in time and writing a similar code I did do some assembler and I never want to do it again I'm so sorry yeah I did Cobalt as well so also so I wasn't a fan of that either new questions that's the oldest language you've written in or I don't know similar predates that does I can claim to have worked with an ever so tiny amount of Fortran 77 code uh in the context of different uh HPC applications that if you could believe it are actually built on that type of thing it turns out like 40 to

50 years worth of work on compilers and things like that yeah like there's uh at least one like quantum chemistry program that I'm aware of I haven't like directly done a ton of like coding in it if if any at all to be honest but I have like deployed and been amused to deploy Fortran 77 software into like the late 2010s 2020s here that was really my answer as well really yeah it was uh it's working with an organization that was doing fluid dynamics testing on engines and they were using fortune 77.

that was like never heard of it but investor told me to do I'll do it so we'll do it oh that's fantastic there is a question specifically for forest in here oh thank you Steve for the question Forest what technologies are you most excited about these days oh these days it's a loaded question I feel like this is a really loaded question he knows where it's gonna go uh what technologies am I most excited about these days uh at the moment I would say I am most excited about um kind of well at the moment I guess I'm most excited about working with like some

of Meadow's new AI stuff that's come out to be honest I'm uh tinkering with that at the moment uh getting that up and running and kind of containerized an obtainer on trying to get it up and running as a fuzzball workflow um so I'm really excited to be uh kind of tinkering around with that type of thing um otherwise uh the Technologies I'm most excited about are probably uh improved battery and otherwise electrical system Technologies for uh motorhomes and otherwise RVs and that type of thing so um but in general why would you be interested in that Forest because I'm uh I'm watching my power

bricks enhanced time to unblower the background foreign what's up I was just saying enhance time to unblur the background you know my my I found you know very quickly after I got to hear that my my one inverter I have one power of the uh you know the Dell laptop charger that I have because it's a modified sine wave type thing my starlink buzzes really loud when I plug it into that um I've got coach batteries but I made the classic you know new RV mistake of accidentally killing by like leaving them you know letting them discharge too much um so yeah technology is inverters

lithium batteries solar panels uh you know uh uh Cummins gen sets things like that um but related to this type of thing I think there's a whole webinar just on this topic alone of research that should go into this before you do it and then as you're doing it yeah so this is the part where we find out Forest is a Doomsday prepper and he's in his bunker kind of yeah I'm uh I'm in my Rea at the moment at Yellowstone National Park oh that's awesome I got out of Glacier National Park about two weeks ago or so and I've been actually out and listening

for about a month now a little over a month as of today or yesterday or so um but yeah so that that type of technology is very exciting but in general like related to our type of sphere um one big thing that I'm kind of doing at the moment I've worked a lot with fuzzball at ciq uh and while I'm very excited to find The Meadows llama stuff is much easier to get up and running than some of our previous uh open source llm stuff this year uh they really have kind of got it set so it just kind of flows pretty easily um I've

worked a lot with fuzzball but at the moment I'm starting to work a little bit more with uh like ciq's other Solutions like uh Greg and others have kind of touched on like Mountain Ascend or things like that and so I'm really excited to kind of be tinkering around with those especially the automation with the sender and seeing how I can uh you know after a while of um kind of doing certain things manually kind of start to uh work to improve the processes that we've got here on the sa team within like I said the context of being able to you know use our

ciq tools and uh you know kind of use that as a springboard to learn a little bit more about them deeper so excited to see those Technologies uh like I said excited about AI I'm very excited about anything I can do to make my power situation more secure I've been such a fascinating conversation I feel like we could just keep going on that for a long time back to Forest and I have talked about that quite often so probably best to not even get me started I'll just uh I know we've got a webinar to run so good we did have a question that popped

in earlier I think from LinkedIn if we can throw that one up about open Ela there we go uh ciq is being one of the founders of open Ela will ciq have a specific role in open Ela for example with ciq take and HPC and AI related package from a package while for other example Oracle handles Cloud related packages it's a good question um I want to say yes but I don't think there's a specific role that anyone's trying to play I think it's just kind of what the community needs and who who is working on it at the time I don't think it's actually

been laid out for that level yet I'd be happy for anybody else to comment on that as well but I don't I don't think it's been defined in that way and I don't know that it will be so that actually sounds like it would be probably more within um the domain of one of the sigs right I think so yeah so I I think that uh I don't know how the cigs are gonna fit into um open Ela if if they will I kind of think their own their own thing to some extent right um more of a downstream thing yeah right a good question

yeah that's a good question I think it's definitely worth keeping the archive to make sure that if there's any updates that we put that out absolutely thank you for the question oh sorry no I was the same thing for the question how about it Rose oh Dave devonis we'll do this one real quick first what can go through glass without breaking it sun sun rays yeah yeah Wi-Fi Wi-Fi my gaze well ultimately just another form of light radio waves the electromagnetic spectrum well and the cia's mind control stuff I'm talking to the amateur radio enthusiasts related or not it's something it's on some Spectrum you

have a foil hat behind you Dave oh man okay um this question is actually for Dave um but anyone else can kind of jump in but um so I know that you really have like a a breath of experience with um apptainer and you do mostly that but I do believe that more recently you've been getting into playing around with werewolf a little bit more beginning to understand it um helping build clusters with werewolf like what is your experience with that like have you found it inviting if you found it easy like what are the you know little kinks in the road things that you've

learned that you can share with people around about being kind of new to werewolf yeah so um that's a good set of questions uh yeah because you could you could kind of like um I feel like I'm a werewolf newbie uh you know kind of getting into it and trying to figure it out and stuff so we've been having some discussions about this within the sa team recently around the idea of sort of branching out and making sure that we're having a not just a depth of knowledge but also a breadth of knowledge across multiple different Technologies and I think that um for me in

particular and I think probably a lot of people are like this it's it's hard for me to just like say I'm gonna go learn this you know I actually it's it's more important for me to be like well I I've got this goal I've got this thing I want to do and this there's this tool this new tool that will help me do that goal and so I had you know that's really how I learn stuff and so recently within um within the uh you know that kind of framework I've had a goal uh just to like you know spin up an HPC cluster in

a cloud resource and be able to like kind of spin it up um you know just uh on demand and take it down on demand and I had that goal to do some testing uh within this alarm cluster and so because of that I worked with um you know Brian fan another one of our Brilliant Solutions architects who does all kinds of great work um he put together uh some terraform and some ansible and also Jonathan Anderson you know worked a lot on this as well but put together some terraform and ansible scripts to um spin that stuff up on one of our cluster environments

and then I was able to get in and you know mess around and and figure out a few things about werewolf I will say that I wanted to learn werewolf or I've been kind of struggling to learn werewolf for a while now and one of the biggest hurdles I've uh I've had to do this is that werewolf is not like aptainer where it's like all you need is a VM and boom you can do whatever you want with werewolf you need like you need something you can pixie boot you know and so that's got to be either you have to kind of create some VMS

that you can pixie boot which is not the easiest thing to do or you've got to have some real Hardware laying around that you can pixie Boot and so one of the one of the clouds um one of the cloud providers that we use quite a bit is actually a little bit lesser known it's called vulture and we use it specifically because you can allocate bare metal instances uh that allow you to pixie boot them and so that's one of the cool things we can do is play around with those with werewolf um and so yeah it's not I'm not like uh I'm definitely I

have a lot more expertise in obtainer than I do in werewolf at this point in time but yeah it's it's uh it's really cool I found so far that it's uh the container knowledge that I have has really lent itself to werewolf so it's kind of containery in the sense that like if you understand containers you kind of understand how to build node images and deploying them is pretty easy it's kind of magical the first time you restart a a node and you just watch it coming up and all sudden it's got all the you know the new uh software that you've pushed out to

it and stuff so yeah those are my kind of like scatter shot Impressions and my ideas about werewolf awesome thanks Dave Camille thanks seem and fuzzball be deployed on a slurm based cluster oh can sorry I can fuzzball be deployed on us learn bass cluster Forest I think this is on you bud Dave I think I'm actually going to pass this one to you I'm just gonna the person internally ate the potato looked a little bit well recently as Dave noted we've been looking into this a little bit on the sa team and Dave uh just gave an interesting presentation and such about this topic

so um Dave I'm gonna pass that one to you okay yeah cool at the moment you know we're working on it but if you know to see it you know my answer here is uh you know we're working on it this is uh kind of you know somewhere doing research and development into at ciq um but Dave like I said I know you've done some specific stuff so if you have anything to add kind of from your experiences recently absolutely um so yeah I was just talking a minute ago about uh spinning up uh Salon clusters on demand to be able to do tests well

this was the kind of testing I was doing I was like spinning up slurm clusters and then trying to get uh pieces of fuzzball to work within the slurm Clusters and kind of trying to see how they interact and everything um so I will say I'm trying to think about how to how to how to best answer this like we have ideas for how slurm and fuzzball might interact but the this is pretty early at this point in time we we've not actually implemented any kind of like plugins or you know we don't have anything going on as far as that right now but we're

in kind of the um the like I guess the the architect the solutions architect kind of phase where we're like taking things and slapping them together and seeing how they work and playing around with them and everything uh we have ideas about this I don't know I don't really know like how you know I don't want to like say that this is the direction we're going to go in and then it ends up being like a totally different direction so yeah um but yeah not not right now it can't I mean it they don't like enter I mean you could Deploy fuzzball on a storm

cluster if you wanted to um but they don't really interact in any way and we're kind of like thinking about how that might that interaction might work thank you for the question vaccine is there a public git repository for fuzzball no not yet it is still under development so we have not open sourced any of it yet good question though we get that one a lot absolutely Jonathan I understand what's your preferred programming language and what's the next language that you'd like to learn and why I'll go first pick somebody there you go yeah uh I am always trying to be more versed in Cloud

Technologies and in almost every conversation that I've seen uh I feel like go was the language that always comes up so that's absolutely what I want to learn next I feel like Zayn knew that was coming but uh I think the challenge becomes twofold um one obviously just kind of dealing with that between my day-to-day duties that's one thing the other thing is I tend to learn things better if I've got a project that I'm working towards and so I really want to find an excuse for a home project I do a lot of things like in my own home I've got Raspberry Pi and

stuff throughout my house I might use that to test things out or run things in my home network or whatever if there's a nice go based Raspberry Pi Project that I might do that my spare time it'll force me to learn and actually retain things I'm really just having a moment here as I'm talking like to do that that's probably something for a home assistant right yeah there has to be somebody has to start it come on there's got to be so yeah that's my answer Craig no people aren't gonna like this I did a lot of Windows I know you're not supposed to say

window stuff in the past but uh uh there's this uh open source or at least freeware programming language called autoit or some people say autoit and I have done so much stuff in there that I can basically do it in my sleep I even wrote um this for a data center it like pulled all of the branch circuit monitoring their entire infrastructure pulled all into an interface and I know that's been in production for like a decade and it was all written in there so please don't please don't judge me um but uh and this is this is arguable hopefully this is like arguing about

religion whether ansible is a programming language or not but I like writing playbooks because I have just done it so much now that I can whip stuff out so ridiculously fast is kind of my go-to as far as like if I want to script something I can actually script it faster in ansible than I can like in bash or you know like a Powershell or whatever flavor of operating system you happen to be working on so you're a yaml guru that's what I'm hearing no I I can I can put two spaces in front of something so yes I can do that but uh but

no that's like it's my preferred go-to for sure very nice Dave I think I know your answer too yeah I mean so okay the actual question is preferred programming language so I don't have a preferred programming language um I mean it's like there's different you got to choose the best tool for the job right and so it kind of depends on what you're doing um I in the past uh so so the the programming language on probably the most proficient in is Matlab um so in the past um I I did a ton of Matlab to the point where and it was the first thing

I learned it was the first programming language I learned to the point where when I got into some other programming languages I I saw all these strings I saw these characters and I was like what are you doing with all these strings and characters I don't understand it and then you know when it was like here's how you actually deal with numbers and here's how you deal with arrays I was like what that's so clunky like like everything that I've ever you know basically I thought like all programming is numbers because I was in Matlab and everything I thought about was just like a raise

of numbers and you know linear algebra and just matrices and to the point where like I could I can do image manipulation probably quicker and easier in Matlab than I can in Photoshop right just by reading the thing in as a three-dimensional Matrix of RGB values for each pixel and then just do what I want on all the pixels and then you know bring it back out um I also have a lot of fluency in a language which is basically dead called Tempo uh which is our real-time programming language which allows you to do things like present stimuli on um CRT monitors which are locked

to the refresh cycle and use inputs like voltage traces from an eye tracker watching the position of you know somebody's eyes to do things like tick you know make solenoids go and do stuff like this and all this within like real time within like a single process cycle which is like a single millisecond stuff like that I did a lot of that um that's not a transferable skill so like uh at this point I mean you know I I I do some go uh I do a lot I mean I do a lot of bash just because that's the proper thing to to use for

a lot of the stuff that I do I do some python when that's the right thing to do uh you know I mean just the right tool for the job right I think it's interesting because you have a different perspective I mean everybody else are pretty much computer scientists so we have a very different view of an actual scientist that's cool cool you have a very different view of programming and where you've actually used it and come from so computer science is actual science by the way it is but it's different Forest preferred language one you want to learn I'll go ahead and be that

guy and say my preferred language is python at the moment just because that's what most all of the AI stuff I'm working in is uh I'm also just kind of a python fan it's a fun little language to work on stuff in from the former so I used to use you know python bash you know that type of access some scripting languages quite frequently uh to put together like different uh just like sysadmin type you know I'm sure everyone's familiar with you know different scripts you know monitoring that type of thing so I'm a big fan of stuff like that uh kind of not necessarily

a program language but I do a lot of you know like container design I do a lot of like workflow design and yaml not necessarily and like ansible button for example fuzzball um and so kind of that oh no did he freeze for everybody or just me everybody there we go now you're back yeah we lost you you're good where was I out buzz ball you said fuzzball yes I'm a big fan of uh like I said python and Bash as a former CIS admin kind of the scripting languages that type of thing um and then not necessarily A programming language but I'm also a

big fan of kind of how it all comes together um in kind of that um you know ansible workflow Etc type sphere um yaml workflow codification basically I didn't use the animals or I don't use uh ansible so much in that sphere I'm usually in buzz ball kind of putting together like HPC workflows um but overall just kind of that sphere of um taking what somebody needs a system to do as far as their research and putting together from you know end to end all the scripts whether that's bash or python or whatever their code Etc the containers and then finally a workflow that orchestrates

all that um it's kind of my favorite thing in programming I had to pick a preferred language it's python these days and generally I'm kind of looking forward to learning a little bit more about that sphere of things in ways that I haven't before kind of like um you know loading and using Ai and terms or in terms of that being able to uh like at the moment I'm doing a lot more than I have before of like interfacing with models on a code level in Python using their apis uh using their scripts that type of thing um so I'm looking forward to kind of

seeing a little bit more of that sphere of things goes I have a feeling I'll probably end up on some uh go programming at uh at some point which is uh would be really interesting to learn I know we have a few people on the sa team who have done quite a bit of that and have kind of learned quite a bit of that uh in the context of the sa team I've never been like a massively heavy um you know software programmer type guy but I've always enjoyed like seeing that type of thing specifically C and not the sub-derivatives like sharp plus plus Etc

um I've always kind of enjoyed C for the simplicity so I'm kind of uh and just for like just the inner you know I like python because it's you know good for certain things you know just like Dave says there's you know different tools for different purposes but I've always enjoyed the C for just like the raw just interface into the system that you get um so I'm excited to kind of see what I've kind of heard about go which is that it's a combination of these much you know you know higher level easier to use languages like python while still giving you the capacity

of like a systems level programming language like go so or sorry like C um so I'm very excited to kind of dig into that a little bit more as well thank you Forrest I'm gonna make Greg really happy and say I've written more stuff in Pearl than anything else Great Clips different Greg sorry Greg no I cringed as well don't worry I know everybody should say I liked it I just said I wrote more in it than anything else except maybe Java I think we had another question was a good one Michael I'm Gonna Leave This one to you yeah so the question is I'm

new to aw accident I'm not been able to install successfully will the green installer for a center on kubernetes or will it be easier to ask for support from cnq to set it up so I've the answer is yes and yes and I can say that with confidence because that's what I've been working on for the past couple of weeks or so so one of the things that uh that is nothing can be added is to the documentation because there's very limited documentation I've been able to find blog posts for example on how to install awx on various platforms but I haven't been able to

find a single place for hey if you want to install this with external postgres if I want to install this on top of eks or gke or AKs whatever and that's ultimately what we want to do here it's the IQ so I'm taking things one platform at a time um and you can just what will ultimately happen is you'll be able to choose hey I'm running on this flavor of kubernetes and I'm actually using an install Playbook called the command line with a script to to install a sender so the short answer is yes we're working on that and I I want to put a

hard time on that but my goal is to get that out in the next week or so at least to start with but loud and clear that's one of the things that I've always wanted with awx and that's one of the things that we're going to do with the sender for that very reason it comes from hard experience for myself likely for career quantity for Zine and for Anthony and probably a multitude of other people as well so the answer is yes and yes we can help you with that as well yes thank you for that question this looks like a God love question if

you were if you were to redevelop obtainer again what language would you use this is a funny question um because um we did that uh so I mean that was that was a major that was like a major thrust of you know Singularity obtainer um that was that was basically let's see what the um I've got my my little I don't know if you can hear my little girl's screaming daddy upstairs right now hold on hey baby it's okay I'm in a meeting love you telling you what language you need to learn like next yeah so okay so when when um when Greg originally wrote

Singularity uh which became apptainer at Lawrence Berkeley National Lab um he he he kind of wrote it in like a mixture of c and Bash um and what he did is he made like his own kind of like almost like library of executable calls you could make uh in C that you could call him through bash so it would make it easier to write it in bash and you know it was good for what was needed at the time um and then uh some other um community members got involved and started to do cloudy kinds of stuff uh you know and and they did that

in Python because that was kind of the right tool for the job at the time so then um Singularity ended up being written in this like kind of big mismatch of um you know C bash and python um and so we got to a certain point and with the development and it got to the point where we wanted to do things like um uh Implement um network name spaces and networking with an apptainer and we wanted to get a little bit more advanced and when we got to those points we realized that there was already are these tools out there in the like the container

Community which would allow us to do that like cni for instance was the the thing that we needed to use for the the network stack and there was other things as well that we wanted to do that had already been done and we didn't need to reinvent the wheel and we certainly didn't need to rewrite all that stuff and see in Python and Bash so we made the decision that we really you know to be integrated with the the container Community we really need to rewrite the code and go and so that was the main you know thrust for quite some time I believe it

was I'm trying to figure it out trying to go through and look I think it was the 2.0 um no it was the 3.0 the 3.0 uh release of app of Singularity at the time was a complete rewrite of singularity in go um so that was a huge undertaking um and it was very very hard to go through that process uh you know I was in the thick of it during that and we're we're not going to do that again so go is good we're happy with that we're not gonna rewrite abdainer in another language we we like we made that decision specifically for obtainer

and aside from the fact it was a lot of work and heartache and sadness for everybody um we're just not gonna do it just because uh you know that's we chose a language and that's the language that you know we wanted to write it in thank you Cedric for doing that yeah Cedric did a lot and he deserves a ton of credit but you know and I think he'd be the the first to say that it wasn't just him there was a lot of absolutely absolutely huge effort thanks to everyone involved in that I feel like we missed a whole segment of topics that have

nothing to do with computers or I.T like coffee barbecuing it's like a whole other webinar coffee maybe four hours or five tell me you're an old guy without telling me you're an old guy hmm barbecue and coffee yeah for hours yeah mm-hmm if you you've hung out with Michael you know what I'm talking about Michael's the oldest 30 year old I've ever met he's gonna say we've got opinions about barbecue well yes we do oh David Rush asks a terrible question pineapple on Pizza yes so polarizing but it is yes Rose pineapple and pizza it's 100 yeah absolutely delicious that's why I knew you were

going to answer that yeah it was a little like dipped in the ranch yes yes Dave your face I don't know what's going on with your face you lost me there with the you know I mean it's a total California thing but you you have you cannot knock it until you try it with the pineapple yes pineapple cheese sauce bread Ranch yes it's so good I've done a little barbecue that sounds good maybe I'll pass it on Pizza I actually make a pineapple barbecue sauce to be honest yeah so I I just I typically roll a peach barbecue sauce but um sometimes peaches aren't in

season and I can get pineapples because there's airplanes so pineapple pineapple barbecue sauce oatmeal pineapple bacon jalapenos Jeffrey are you saying that pineapple on Pizza is also a Canadian thing because I feel like it's just stolen from California no it was a Greek immigrant in Canada that invented the pineapple pizza really yeah because it comes with Canadian bacon so okay so we're saying California stole it from Canada there we go as long as I know who to blame for ruining Pizza yeah I said it why is it pizza in general that has all these like you know not that I'm calling the origin story that

you just suggested apocryphal but how um in general that has all these apocryphal origin stories like pizza originated here and this type of pizza originated there and then there's people who fight over like you know whether or not they invented pizza or not and like what's with pizza that it you know people have such opinions about it it's probably Universal thing could be said about Dr Pepper because people who fight over where that got started too just saying they can fight me that's all I'm saying okay I can say it Greg fights blue hedgehogs is that right that's what I throw that in there at

some point I think I think I'm wholly misunderstood I think uh big big Hedgehog has spun the narrative in that direction when honestly I'm just uh I'm just an innocent technologist trying to to live my life and constantly being interrupted don't mess up my Dr Robotnik reference oh I know that's what I'm saying like it's been totally spun the wrong direction Tails and Knuckles are miscreants you know they are yeah look at the people he surrounds himself with ridiculous I'll open a shoe poured that in so that's it my job is done it worked you got it I don't see any more questions at least

I don't see anymore on YouTube we don't have any more questions Rose do you have any more questions I don't yeah I think I'm good I mean it's not gonna lead into another hour or two hours no no I think I'm I think we're done so I guess my final question is not a question it's a comment you are amazing and wonderful and beautiful and I think every single one of you for being here and all the cool things that you are creating and Dave the things that you're breaking thank you and um reach out to ciq ciq.com we would love to chat with you

about all the amazing things that we were doing we got the werewolf and the Rocky and the app tainer and the mountain and the fuzzball and the Ascender and all the things and we would love to support you and your environment so reach out to us leave a comment we always come back and answer all of them and thanks for being with us you're amazing have a great day bye everyone [Music]